what? no your comment didn't show that at all. when we compare them to parallel units the gors and ungors do well and are still cheaper by 20 and 10 points respectively.
Yup, ultimatly I'd expect heroes to generally be better stat-wise and if you're looking at it purely for that they should be the default pick. The main reason to not take heroes, besides limits the game imposes, is to get the needed bodycount for a functional army. And there's gonna be some niches that you can't necesarly fill with just heroes, for example an army who's heroes refuse to ride a mount could use some cavalry.
I wouldn't call it scale issues. It is designed to function at a multiple scales. How effective each unit is will be impacted by scale however. Which is the case with all things.
they where trying to move away from modeler pricing and closer to what you see is what you get. part of lowering complexity.
Well they could've stuck with a command squad or something like that. It'd still be "what you see is what you get" just that a skink priest comes with a bodyguard or attendant or two. It'd allow them to put on a few extra wounds and give them enough fighting power that they don't need to run from everything. So why have command squads dissappeared as well.
well the new bone lord is going to work like that so maby if he does well we might sees something slimier
Well, the game is primarily balanced around 2k matches. 1k games are pretty awful, because there is just enough room to take gimmicks and not enough room for armies to be well rounded. However, if Meeting Engagement rules are used then 1k becomes a very balanced and tactical game. Scaling is very relevant. Not all units will preform the same at different game sizes. Same thing would happen to the Middle Earth Strategy Game if you scaled it up. The only difference is people play at various levels of point in AoS because a lot of players are still building their collection.
That is why they are support? I believe I know what you are saying, but I don't understand the issue.
This is already a thing in the rules. You literally use the units that heroes are supporting to protect them from combat. Look Out Sir also allows for units to provide a -1 to hit heroes who are near units of 3 or more modles in the shooting phase.
It's not terribly reliable in this capacity however. Unlike 8th Ed 40k, in which you cannot target heroes when there's a closer unit between him and the attacker (this has its own issues when taken on its own, mind you, like being unable to pick off the hero who is otherwise standing out in the open because of a single unit that's 15" closer in the hero's general direction), AoS more than easily allows you to snipe characters out of formations even with the -1 penalty to hit rolls, and all it takes is either a lot of shots with successful wound rolls or mortal wounds to do so.
Not really, especially not for ranged combat. The only rule keeping them safe there is look-out-sir. Which only affects shooting, and even then just throw in a big enough volume of shots or a good enough marksman and the protection is meaningless. But any other ranged ability and attack can still easily be used to pick off minor heroes.
This tangent did start cuz we were talking about what to do with those minor support heroes, so still (slightly?) on topic I'd say
No they don't need to be immortal, but not falling over to a stiff breeze would be nice. Even a fairly basic unit like judicators alone has enough firepower to kill a skink priest potentially in a single turn. Get 2 or 3 of em and it's basicly a guarantee. Look-out-sir rule or not. Hell they don't even need their special bow for it, their regular bows are enough. And it's not like they're unique in this. Similarly even basic spells easily leave most minor heroes like this mortally. Get in 2 or 3 and they basicly guarantee a kill. And these are the only type of units that are killed this easily. Even fodder like skinks usually outlasts that unless you get particularly lucky when attacking them.
Not really, as again, they fall over to a stiff breeze. Most of these support heroes cannot take more than a handfull of attacks. So unless you manage to limit it to only 1 model in range even minor units quickly become a threat. Which is going to be difficult as most support heroes are stuck with a 1" melee profile so it's not like they can at least attack from the relative safety of your backline.
LoS was such and effective buff that it nurffed shooting into the ground until the appearance of flesh eater courts and slanesh made it necessary again. and yes you should be able to take out support if we couldn't necromancers, spirit lures and death in general would get stooped again the waaaagh would never end. miner support heroes do to much to be that sturdy.
On the subject specifically, I am of the opinion that Look Out Sir should have a localized "HERO cannot be target of ranged attack if nearby friendly unit has models closer to attacker" phrase added to its current ruling. Barring that, I would want bodyguard units like temple guard to confer higher Look Out Sir penalties, either as a horde bonus analogue or as a capped difference between unit model count and maximum hero wounds like what I brought up earlier.
