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ChapterAquila92
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Heyo! ChapterAquila92 here!

With the release of Warhammer: The Old World, it would probably be worthwhile for there to be a thread dedicated to building and discussing army lists for the game.

Current List Building Resources:

- Old World Builder - still under development but off to a promising start. In its current iteration it's a reasonably useful online tool for writing up rudimentary lists of the official factions at least.
 
To kick this off, here's kind of what I have planned for a 2000pt Saphery-themed High Elf army. Bear in mind that this is looking more at a local meta where 10 and 20 are more or less the golden numbers for core unit size.

===
Saphery Warhost [1975 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, High Elf Realms
===

++ Characters [939 pts] ++

Archmage [455 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 4
- Moon Dragon
- The Loremaster's Cloak
- Warden of Saphery

Noble [112 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Heavy Armor
- *Elven Honor - Loremaster*
- On foot

Noble [112 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Heavy Armor
- *Elven Honor - Loremaster*
- On foot

Mage [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Dispel Scroll*

Mage [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Dispel Scroll*

++ Core Units [640 pts] ++

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [316 pts] ++

10 Swordsmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy Armor
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Swordsmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy Armor
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [80 pts] ++

1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

===

I'm still debating where I should consider throwing the remaining 25 points. As of the time of this post, Old World Builder hasn't included the option of giving a noble a battle standard, and as I'm still brushing up on my old understanding of point-costed magic items I'm not sure what else to add. At best it might require me to downgrade the archmage from a moon dragon (+230pts!) to a griffon (+130pts), flamespire phoenix (+170pts), or a frostheart phoenix (+205pts) just to have enough points to splurge on a couple of the more expensive magic items.
 
I tried it out.
Result, incomplete, but promising functionality.

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Pendrake’s List #1 [1052 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Kingdom of Bretonnia
===

++ Characters [436 pts] ++

Duke (0-1) [436 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Heavy Armour
- Shield
- The Grail Vow
- Hippogryph with Barding
- Bedazzling Helm
- Glittering Scales
- Gauntlet of the Duel*


++ Core Units [416 pts] ++

20 Men-At-Arms (1+*) [129 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Polearms
- Shields
- Light Armour
- Yeoman
- Standard bearer
- Musician
- Grail Monk with Blessed Triptych

6 Mounted Knights of the Realm (1+**) [158 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Lances
- Shields
- Heavy Armour
- First Knight
- Standard Bearer

20 Men-At-Arms (1+*) [129 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Polearms
- Shields
- Light Armour
- Yeoman
- Standard bearer
- Musician
- Grail Monk with Blessed Triptych


++ Special Units [200 pts] ++

5 Mounted Yeomen [100 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Cavalry Spears
- Shortbows
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Feigned Flight
- Warden
- Musician

5 Mounted Yeomen [100 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Cavalry Spears
- Shortbows
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Feigned Flight
- Warden
- Musician


++ Rare Units [0 pts] ++


++ Mercenaries [0 pts] ++


++ Allies [0 pts] ++



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Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
 
This is what I'm starting with. Not sure what all of these do, but I think it works. Three solid blocks of boys, backed by a giant and a small unit of heavy cave. I don't know enough about the game to know if this is good, but it's a start. It's also an army I have almost completely painted...

Padre
===
Da Boyz [2000 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes
===

++ Characters [787 pts] ++

Black Orc Warboss [205 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- On Foot
- Enchanted Shield*
- Sword of Battle

Orc Weirdnob [190 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- On Foot
- Dispel Scroll*

Orc Weirdboy [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Frenzy (no armour)
- Level 2 Wizard
- Warpaint
- On Foot
- Idol of Mork

Black Orc Bigboss [129 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Battle Standard Bearer
- War Banner
- On Foot

Black Orc Bigboss [133 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Shield
- War Boar
- Porko's Pigstikka

++ Core Units [921 pts] ++

29 Orc Mob [191 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Light Armor
- Shield
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

29 Orc Mob [312 pts]
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Frenzy (no armour)
- Warpaint
- Big Stabba
- Big 'Uns
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

24 Black Orc Mob [418 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Full Plate
- Stubborn
- Veteran
- Shields
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Waaagh! Banner
- Musician

++ Special Units [92 pts] ++

4 Orc Boar Boy Mob [92 pts]
- Cavalry Spear
- Heavy Armour
- Shields
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [200 pts] ++

1 Giant [200 pts]
- Giants Club
- Light Armor

---
Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
 
Padre said:
This is what I'm starting with. Not sure what all of these do, but I think it works. Three solid blocks of boys, backed by a giant and a small unit of heavy cave. I don't know enough about the game to know if this is good, but it's a start. It's also an army I have almost completely painted...

Padre
===
Da Boyz [2000 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes
===

++ Characters [787 pts] ++

Black Orc Warboss [205 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- On Foot
- Enchanted Shield*
- Sword of Battle

Orc Weirdnob [190 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- On Foot
- Dispel Scroll*

Orc Weirdboy [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Frenzy (no armour)
- Level 2 Wizard
- Warpaint
- On Foot
- Idol of Mork

Black Orc Bigboss [129 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Battle Standard Bearer
- War Banner
- On Foot

Black Orc Bigboss [133 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Shield
- War Boar
- Porko's Pigstikka

++ Core Units [921 pts] ++

29 Orc Mob [191 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Light Armor
- Shield
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

29 Orc Mob [312 pts]
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Frenzy (no armour)
- Warpaint
- Big Stabba
- Big 'Uns
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

24 Black Orc Mob [418 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Full Plate
- Stubborn
- Veteran
- Shields
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Waaagh! Banner
- Musician

++ Special Units [92 pts] ++

4 Orc Boar Boy Mob [92 pts]
- Cavalry Spear
- Heavy Armour
- Shields
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [200 pts] ++

1 Giant [200 pts]
- Giants Club
- Light Armor

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Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
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Depending on the meta you're playing in, you may find that going 30-strong with the Orc Mobs (including attached characters) is not particularly practical, especially when that's going to amount to a unit that gets caught up in difficult terrain very easily (30mm bases get wide really quickly). With a minimum unit width of 5 models for rank bonuses to combat resolution, you can get away with just going with 20/unit instead.

Same applies to the Black Orcs as well.

On a similar note, a buddy of mine who's also readmitting minis from AoS to an Orcs & Goblins army has this currently planned for his list, bearing in mind that he's still tinkering around to add magic items:

===
Orcs and Goblins [1991 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes
===

++ Characters [447 pts] ++

Black Orc Warboss [268 pts]
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Wyvern

Black Orc Bigboss [100 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Plate Armor
- Battle Standard Bearer
- On Foot

Black Orc Bigboss [79 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Plate Armor
- On Foot

++ Core Units [1112 pts] ++

10 Black Orc Mob [168 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Full Plate
- Veteran
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Night Goblin Squig Herd [106 pts]
- 2 Squig Herder

20 Night Goblin Mob [242 pts]
- Shortbow
- Shield
- Netters
- 5 Fanatics
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

20 Black Orc Mob [298 pts]
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Full Plate
- Stubborn
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

20 Black Orc Mob [298 pts]
- Additional Hand Weapon
- Full Plate
- Stubborn
- Boss
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [232 pts] ++

1 Orc Boar Chariots [96 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Cavalry Spear
- Tusks
- Crew Member

10 Night Goblin Squig Hopper Mob [136 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Huge Gob
- Light Armor
- Boss

++ Rare Units [200 pts] ++

1 Giant [200 pts]
- Giants Club
- Light Armor
 
ChapterAquila92 said:
Depending on the meta you're playing in, you may find that going 30-strong with the Orc Mobs (including attached characters) is not particularly practical, especially when that's going to amount to a unit that gets caught up in difficult terrain very easily (30mm bases get wide really quickly). With a minimum unit width of 5 models for rank bonuses to combat resolution, you can get away with just going with 20/unit instead.
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Possibly. I have no idea what will be good at this point. I doubt I'll play often, either. I don't have a group and really don't have time to play.
 
ChapterAquila92 said:
To kick this off, here's kind of what I have planned for a 2000pt Saphery-themed High Elf army. Bear in mind that this is looking more at a local meta where 10 and 20 are more or less the golden numbers for core unit size.

===
Saphery Warhost [1975 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, High Elf Realms
===

++ Characters [939 pts] ++

Archmage [455 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 4
- Moon Dragon
- The Loremaster's Cloak
- Warden of Saphery

Noble [112 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Heavy Armor
- *Elven Honor - Loremaster*
- On foot

Noble [112 pts]
- Great Weapon
- Heavy Armor
- *Elven Honor - Loremaster*
- On foot

Mage [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Dispel Scroll*

Mage [130 pts]
- Hand Weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Dispel Scroll*

++ Core Units [640 pts] ++

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light Armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand Weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [316 pts] ++

10 Swordsmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy Armor
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Swordsmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy Armor
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [80 pts] ++

1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

===

I'm still debating where I should consider throwing the remaining 25 points. As of the time of this post, Old World Builder hasn't included the option of giving a noble a battle standard, and as I'm still brushing up on my old understanding of point-costed magic items I'm not sure what else to add. At best it might require me to downgrade the archmage from a moon dragon (+230pts!) to a griffon (+130pts), flamespire phoenix (+170pts), or a frostheart phoenix (+205pts) just to have enough points to splurge on a couple of the more expensive magic items.
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Just an update to my previous list, having learned a few things since posting and with the help of a rather timely update in the builder involving banner-bearing nobles and points changes in some areas.

One of the big ones is that a High Elf character cannot take a mount if they have either the Loremaster or Warden of Saphery elven honours, so no dragon riders with Blades of Hoeth unfortunately. Other limitations revolve around mounts - I was previously considering a griffon or phoenix as alternatives for the moon dragon, only to find out that griffons are off the table for archmages, and pheonixes can only be taken as mounts if they have the Annointed of Asuryan elven honour. I may yet cave on that one for the odd game, but a moon dragon seems pretty on-point for a follower of Lileath.

===
Saphery Warhost [1992 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, High Elf Realms
===

++ Characters [956 pts] ++

Archmage [445 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Upgrade to Level 4
- Moon Dragon
- Seed of Rebirth
- Earthing Rod
- Pure of Heart

Noble [173 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- Battle Standard Bearer
- On foot
- Loremaster
- Battle Banner

Noble [88 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- On foot
- Loremaster

Mage [125 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Earthing Rod
- Warden of Saphery

Mage [125 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Upgrade to Level 2
- On foot
- Earthing Rod
- Warden of Saphery

++ Core Units [640 pts] ++

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

20 Elven Spearmen [205 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting Spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Sentinel (Champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Elven Archers [115 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [316 pts] ++

10 Swordmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy armour
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

10 Swordmasters [158 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy armour
- Bladelord
- Standard Bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [80 pts] ++

1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]
 
very nice army builder. super easy to use and very clean!

this is a 2,000 point mock list i made for my friend who plays Beastmen, i know nothing on how to play them and how to run them so if its not a good list i blame that. also havent played TOW yet so if somethings wrong lemme know

++ Characters [400 pts] ++
Great Bray-Shaman [180 pts]
(Braystaff, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Daemonology)

Doombull [220 pts]
(Great weapon, Heavy armour, General)

++ Core Units [574 pts] ++
4 Minotaur Herd [206 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Bloodkine, Standard bearer, Musician)

4 Minotaur Herd [206 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Bloodkine, Standard bearer, Musician)

10 Ungor Herd [77 pts]
(Shortbows, Ambushers, Half-horn, Standard bearer, Musician)

Tuskgor Chariot [85 pts]
(Bestigor Crew x 1 - Hand weapons, Great weaponss, Gor Crew x 1 - Hand weapon and cavalry spear, Tuskgor x 2 - Hand weapon (tusks))

++ Special Units [566 pts] ++
3 Dragon Ogres [196 pts]
(Great weapons, Heavy armour, Shartak)

25 Bestigor Herd [370 pts]
(Hand weapons, Great weapons, Heavy armour, Stubborn, Gouge-horn, Standard bearer, Musician)

++ Rare Units [460 pts] ++
Ghorgon [245 pts]
(Cleaver-limbs, Light armour (calloused hide))

Cygor [215 pts]
(Hand weapon (claws), Hurl attack, Light armour (calloused hide))

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Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
 
Further refinements for my 2000pt Saphery Warhost, courtesy of some brainstorming with a fellow TOW player.

++ Characters [883 pts] ++
Archmage [265 pts]
(Hand weapon, Sword of Hoeth, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Lore Familiar, Flying Carpet, Warden of Saphery, Illusion)

Noble [212 pts]
(Lance, Full plate armour, Shield, General, Griffon)

Noble [206 pts]
(Hand weapon, Sword of Hoeth, Full plate armour, Battle Standard Bearer, Battle Banner, On foot, Dragon Helm, Loremaster)
*to be attached to a Swordmasters of Hoeth unit

Mage [110 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 2 Wizard, On foot, Battle Magic)
*to be attached to Elven Spearman unit

Handmaiden of the Everqueen [90 pts]
(Handmaiden's Spear, Light armour, Horn of Isha)
*to be attached to Sisters of Avelorn unit

++ Core Units [541 pts] ++
19 Elven Spearmen [186 pts]
(Hand weapons, Thrusting spears, Light armour, Shields, Sentinel (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

20 Lothern Sea Guard [257 pts]
(Hand weapons, Thrusting spears, Warbows, Light armour, Shields, Sea Master (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

5 Ellyrian Reavers [98 pts]
(Hand weapons, Cavalry spears, Hand weapons (Hooves), Light armour, Replace cavalry spears with shortbows, Skirmishers, Harbinger (champion))

++ Special Units [316 pts] ++
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth [158 pts]
(Sword of Hoeth, Heavy armour, Bladelord, Standard bearer, Musician)

10 Swordmasters of Hoeth [158 pts]
(Sword of Hoeth, Heavy armour, Bladelord, Standard bearer, Musician)

++ Rare Units [252 pts] ++
Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

11 Sisters of Avelorn [172 pts]
(Bows of Avelorn, Light armour, High Sister)

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Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
 
Fer_Silfore said:
very nice army builder. super easy to use and very clean!

this is a 2,000 point mock list i made for my friend who plays Beastmen, i know nothing on how to play them and how to run them so if its not a good list i blame that. also havent played TOW yet so if somethings wrong lemme know

++ Characters [400 pts] ++
Great Bray-Shaman [180 pts]
(Braystaff, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Daemonology)

Doombull [220 pts]
(Great weapon, Heavy armour, General)

++ Core Units [574 pts] ++
4 Minotaur Herd [206 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Bloodkine, Standard bearer, Musician)

4 Minotaur Herd [206 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Bloodkine, Standard bearer, Musician)

10 Ungor Herd [77 pts]
(Shortbows, Ambushers, Half-horn, Standard bearer, Musician)

Tuskgor Chariot [85 pts]
(Bestigor Crew x 1 - Hand weapons, Great weaponss, Gor Crew x 1 - Hand weapon and cavalry spear, Tuskgor x 2 - Hand weapon (tusks))

++ Special Units [566 pts] ++
3 Dragon Ogres [196 pts]
(Great weapons, Heavy armour, Shartak)

25 Bestigor Herd [370 pts]
(Hand weapons, Great weapons, Heavy armour, Stubborn, Gouge-horn, Standard bearer, Musician)

++ Rare Units [460 pts] ++
Ghorgon [245 pts]
(Cleaver-limbs, Light armour (calloused hide))

Cygor [215 pts]
(Hand weapon (claws), Hurl attack, Light armour (calloused hide))

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Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]
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You'll want to either merge the Minotaur Herds or find a substitute for one of them. The Doombull as the army general only allows you to take up to 1 Minotaur herd as part of your Core units.

Additionally, one thing I got clued in on early while playing TOW is that, unless you anticipate the unit to be able to do reasonably well in melee, it's often not worth the points to be giving a ranged unit (like the Ungors) a musician or standard bearer. On a similar note, while the Ambushers special rule might sound nice in theory (given it's Beastmen), the opportunity cost of having the ability to simply not show up for 1-4 turns can be a bit much, even if it can allow you to come on from any table edge as a compulsory move when you do.

Apart from that, it's looking like a decent start.
 
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ChapterAquila92 said:
You'll want to either merge the Minotaur Herds or find a substitute for one of them. The Doombull as the army general only allows you to take up to 1 Minotaur herd as part of your Core units.

Additionally, one thing I got clued in on early while playing TOW is that, unless you anticipate the unit to be able to do reasonably well in melee, it's often not worth the points to be giving a ranged unit (like the Ungors) a musician or standard bearer. On a similar note, while the Ambushers special rule might sound nice in theory (given it's Beastmen), the opportunity cost of having the ability to simply not show up for 1-4 turns can be a bit much, even if it can allow you to come on from any table edge as a compulsory move when you do.

Apart from that, it's looking like a decent start.
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much appreciated! ill get to fixing up the list!
 
I might be a filthy point eared traitor sometimes. This list works quite well. I have seen a lot of people going for a big Sister of Avelorn sister with a Handmaiden and Lvl 4 in there, often also with the Ruby Ring.

There are a ton of combos in that sister unit. First off, you go Plague of Rust (obviously) but you also go the teleport spell and windblast. The teleport makes it so you can move the unit 12 inches and do not count as moving. BS5 ignore cover, so that is a ton of hits. Base the unit is Armor Bane 2 and ap -1, with plague of rust even 2+ saves will have a tough time. The kicker is the Horn of Isha the handmaiden has. Once per game the unit has +1 to hit and +1 to wound. That makes it so even T6 targets will be wounded on a 5+, you will probably be hitting on 2s, with 30 inch range and 12 inch teleport, nothing is hiding. The Wind Blast and Ruby Ring coming out of it as well will also have a +1 to wound for just tons of damage. Really expensive but potent firebase and very hard to catch due to the teleports.

The rest of the list is pretty basic, turbo dragon, swordmasters, core filler and some move blocking.

High Elf Realms - Comp - [1997pts]
# Main Force [1997pts]
## Characters [863pts]
Archmage [215pts]: Hand Weapon, Elementalism, Wizard Level 4, Warbow, Lore Familiar, Sea Guard
Handmaiden of the Everqueen [120pts]: Horn of Isha, Handmaiden's Spear, Hand Weapon, Bow of Avelorn, Light Armour, Ruby Ring of Ruin
Prince [528pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon, Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws, General, Dragon Helm, Sword of Might, Seed of Rebirth, Obsidian Lodestone, Talisman Of Protection, Pure of Heart
## Core [500pts]
Lothern Sea Guard [368pts]: Veterans
• 27x Lothern Sea Guard [12pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Thrusting Spear, Warbow, Shield
• 1x Sea Master [7pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]
Silver Helms [132pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [24pts]: Barded Elven Steed, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x High Helm [6pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [6pts]
## Special [214pts]
Swordmasters of Hoeth [214pts]:
• 14x Swordmaster [14pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Sword of Hoeth
• 1x Bladelord [6pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [6pts]
• 1x Musician [6pts]
## Rare [420pts]
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Sisters of Avelorn [360pts]:
• 24x Sister of Avelorn [15pts]: Bow of Avelorn, Hand Weapon, Light Armour
 
airjamy said:
I might be a filthy point eared traitor sometimes. This list works quite well. I have seen a lot of people going for a big Sister of Avelorn sister with a Handmaiden and Lvl 4 in there, often also with the Ruby Ring.

There are a ton of combos in that sister unit. First off, you go Plague of Rust (obviously) but you also go the teleport spell and windblast. The teleport makes it so you can move the unit 12 inches and do not count as moving. BS5 ignore cover, so that is a ton of hits. Base the unit is Armor Bane 2 and ap -1, with plague of rust even 2+ saves will have a tough time. The kicker is the Horn of Isha the handmaiden has. Once per game the unit has +1 to hit and +1 to wound. That makes it so even T6 targets will be wounded on a 5+, you will probably be hitting on 2s, with 30 inch range and 12 inch teleport, nothing is hiding. The Wind Blast and Ruby Ring coming out of it as well will also have a +1 to wound for just tons of damage. Really expensive but potent firebase and very hard to catch due to the teleports.

The rest of the list is pretty basic, turbo dragon, swordmasters, core filler and some move blocking.

High Elf Realms - Comp - [1997pts]
# Main Force [1997pts]
## Characters [863pts]
Archmage [215pts]: Hand Weapon, Elementalism, Wizard Level 4, Warbow, Lore Familiar, Sea Guard
Handmaiden of the Everqueen [120pts]: Horn of Isha, Handmaiden's Spear, Hand Weapon, Bow of Avelorn, Light Armour, Ruby Ring of Ruin
Prince [528pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon, Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws, General, Dragon Helm, Sword of Might, Seed of Rebirth, Obsidian Lodestone, Talisman Of Protection, Pure of Heart
## Core [500pts]
Lothern Sea Guard [368pts]: Veterans
• 27x Lothern Sea Guard [12pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Thrusting Spear, Warbow, Shield
• 1x Sea Master [7pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]
Silver Helms [132pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [24pts]: Barded Elven Steed, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x High Helm [6pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [6pts]
## Special [214pts]
Swordmasters of Hoeth [214pts]:
• 14x Swordmaster [14pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Sword of Hoeth
• 1x Bladelord [6pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [6pts]
• 1x Musician [6pts]
## Rare [420pts]
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Sisters of Avelorn [360pts]:
• 24x Sister of Avelorn [15pts]: Bow of Avelorn, Hand Weapon, Light Armour
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I'd honestly ditch the Sword of Might on the Prince and take a normal lance instead. Most of his killing power is already going to be tied up in the dragon itself, and especially on the charge against most enemy units. Hell, apart from the Dragon Helm and maybe the Talisman of Protection, I'd probably consider dropping the magic items altogether on him and demote him to a Noble so that you can take a second one on foot as your army's Battle Standard Bearer.

As for your infantry, I think you're going to find going 7-wide (judging by the numbers in the Sea Guard and Swordmasters) to be far more cumbersome than you're expecting due to the increase in formation width from slightly less than 5" to 7", especially when it comes to wheeling and navigating around terrain. Whilst the center of the board is likely to be open enough to get away with it in most games (terrain must be both at least 12" away from the center of the board, and more than 6" away from a piece of terrain your opponent put down), you're still likely to find yourself sacrificing a lot of movement redressing the ranks over the course of the game short of having the Drilled special rule.
 
This list won a 5 games tournament in my town. Not really awesome to meet but hard against lizardmen.. 6 shouts and spell and models reducing leadership. Any idea how to counter this?


Vampire Counts – 2000pts
Master Necromancer, General, Wizard Level 4, Necromancy, Spell Familiar, Sceptre Of De Noirot [210pts]:
Necromantic Acolyte, Wizard Level 2, Dark Magic, Mortis Engine [285pts]
Necromantic Acolyte, Wizard Level 2, Dark Magic, Mortis Engine [285pts]
Tomb Banshee [90pts]
Tomb Banshee [90pts]
37 Skeleton Warriors, Full Command, Thrusting Spears, Drakenhof Banner [287pts]
5 Dire Wolves [40pts]
5 Dire Wolves [40pts]
20 Zombies, Standard Bearer [65pts]
21 Zombies, Standard Bearer [68pts]
Corpse Cart, Warped Tintinnabulation [130pts]
Terrorgheist [205pts]
Terrorgheist [205pts]
 
Kalisto said:
This list won a 5 games tournament in my town. Not really awesome to meet but hard against lizardmen.. 6 shouts and spell and models reducing leadership. Any idea how to counter this?

Vampire Counts – 2000pts
Master Necromancer, General, Wizard Level 4, Necromancy, Spell Familiar, Sceptre Of De Noirot [210pts]:
Necromantic Acolyte, Wizard Level 2, Dark Magic, Mortis Engine [285pts]
Necromantic Acolyte, Wizard Level 2, Dark Magic, Mortis Engine [285pts]
Tomb Banshee [90pts]
Tomb Banshee [90pts]
37 Skeleton Warriors, Full Command, Thrusting Spears, Drakenhof Banner [287pts]
5 Dire Wolves [40pts]
5 Dire Wolves [40pts]
20 Zombies, Standard Bearer [65pts]
21 Zombies, Standard Bearer [68pts]
Corpse Cart, Warped Tintinnabulation [130pts]
Terrorgheist [205pts]
Terrorgheist [205pts]
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I'll have to see what each of these are capable of, but I get the feeling that the biggest issue stems from how many spellcasters a Vampire Counts army likes to bring as characters to the table. That in itself has always been an arms race that very few other factions can properly compete in without breaking the bank on points (Lizardmen and High Elves have traditionally been on that list as well).

I cannot speak for the rest however.
 
Looks pretty obnoxious.

I would try to counter it with:
* Slann is a must for extra leadership and dispel, maybe with becalming cogitation
* Carnosaur or two should be able to deal with terrorgheists/mortis engines
* Temple guard to keep Slann alive
* Magic resistance items to combat magic, ward saves to combat the shouts
* I think Bastiladon's might be good to snipe Banshees/Engines/Terrorgheists. They have high range so might be able to stay away from dispel range

Here's a sample list where I went with double carnosaur and a single lvl 1 priest in character slot. Alternative would've been to go with 1 carno and 1 skink priest on ancient stegadon.

++ Characters [1000 pts] ++
Slann Mage-Priest [335 pts]
(Hand weapon, General, Becalming Cogitation, Elementalism)

Saurus Scar-Veteran [311 pts]
(Great weapon, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Shield, Carnosaur, Glyph Necklace)

Saurus Scar-Veteran [294 pts]
(Great weapon, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Carnosaur, Talisman of Protection)

Skink Priest [60 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour (Calloused hide), On foot, Elementalism)

++ Core Units [649 pts] ++
18 Temple Guard [344 pts]
(Hand weapons, Halberds, Shields, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Revered Guardian (champion) [Spelleater Axe], Standard bearer, Musician)

10 Saurus Warriors [140 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Heavy armour (Scaly skin))

3x10 Skink Skirmishers [165 pts] (1xScout/1xVanguard)
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

++ Special Units [350 pts] ++
2x Bastiladon [175 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Thunderous bludgeon, Solar Engine)
 
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