@Scalenex ,
@NIGHTBRINGER ,
@Putzfrau
You know what? I’m not sure I agree with the last developments. In a certain way, I partially disapprove your stances.
1 – yes, Putzfrau poke Nightbringer, not much longer after the previous “debate”, and that was his fault.
BUT
2 – Putzfrau this time was not out for blood. I saw no personal attacks here (unless i missed or misjudged something), and you cannot blame him for having a different view on the subject. His arguments may repeat themselves, but the same can be said for many of our counterpoints.
AND
3 – this thread is the endless debate against woke Hollywood. It’s not the thread to make fun of it and please abstain from debate the contrary. It’s perfectly fine to have a discussion on the topic. I definitely disagree that this thread is not for debate.
For example, the last time i've had a debate with Putzfrau on the historical presence of inclusiveness in human culture, on a worldwide scale.
This time we are debating on the real monetary effects of the woke approach.
SW disney trilogy was woke and was a terrible product, but still it made a large amount of money (albeit much less than what probably was expected, and it's regarded as a colossal narrative failure).
Ghostbuster 2016 was a dumpster fire, but so was "Cats", and you cannot blame wokeness for it.
So, there could be room for a debate that the main sin falls on bad decisions, bad producers and bad directors, and the woke approach is only one of the many (apparently easy) paths chosen by an increasing number of people that are not suited for their job.
I, for example, tend to see "woke signals" as red alerts that the author/s is/are lazy and are just jumping on the vagon. The product most likely won't be good because of that.
Kinda like when you see some magic decks or some WH lists, that are just copy and paste of tournaments winners. Chances are that I am seeing a list made by someone which is lazy and doesn't even understand why those were successful, and most probably hasn't the skills to create something good and new.