Poll: Choose your favourite Dwarf army. There can be only one!

[NIGHTBRINGER]

K'daai Destroyer vs. Stegadon!

 

[Imrahil]

Nice picture

As I am not familiar with the Chaos Dwarf lore and fluff: What exactly(or sort of) is a K'daai Destroyer?

Gr, Imrahil

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

K'daai Destroyer vs. Stegadon!

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Where'd you find that pic? Is that an official GW artwork or a fan piece?

Either way it's really good!

Nice picture

As I am not familiar with the Chaos Dwarf lore and fluff: What exactly(or sort of) is a K'daai Destroyer?

Gr, Imrahil

It looks like a K'Daai Destroyer was intended to be a Daemon Engine with a K'Daai Fireborn (Daemonic fire elementals the Chaos Dwarf priests created) interred within it, but the idea must have been scrapped by GW before it was fully realised, probably to do with the End Times and GW executing Fantasy

Here's a pic for its entry in Monstrous Arcanum:

And here's a nice conversion based on a Chaos Space Marine Maulerfiend:

 

[Carnikang]

@NIGHTBRINGER

if you need one, i saw this on Ebay and thought of you.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-...B-/293459141538?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

As I am not familiar with the Chaos Dwarf lore and fluff: What exactly(or sort of) is a K'daai Destroyer?

They are gigantic deamon-bound fire constructs created by the Chaos Dwarfs. In the game of WFB 8th edition they are extremely potent monsters on the battlefield.

Where'd you find that pic? Is that an official GW artwork or a fan piece?

It's official artwork that can be found in the Monstrous Arcanum

@NIGHTBRINGER

if you need one, i saw this on Ebay and thought of you.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-...B-/293459141538?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

Thank you! At the moment I plan to convert some. The modelling potentials are wide ranging because as per the fluff, Destroyers take many forms. As such, I have an opportunity to buy and convert some of my favourite models from other armies that I normally wouldn't buy. First up is the Stonehorn (which I got for Christmas!).

 

[Warden]

K'daai Destroyer vs. Stegadon!

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That stegadon vs destroyer picture is great, where was that from??

 

[Canas]

to be honest it's dissapointing we got fyreslayers instead of the chaos dwarfs. Both are heavily fire/magma themed, but at least the chaos dwarfs are more than an overgrown cult and actually form a functional society. And they'd fit in fairly well into AoS, just say that they're dwarfs who survived during Sigmar's abscence by using their daemon engines to keep the hordes of chaos at bay. Which could make them both an order & a chaos faction depending on how far you'd like the corruption to go. If nothing else they should've combined the two, it'd give the fyreslayers some much needed variation and depth.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

to be honest it's dissapointing we got fyreslayers instead of the chaos dwarfs. Both are heavily fire/magma themed, but at least the chaos dwarfs are more than an overgrown cult and actually form a functional society. And they'd fit in fairly well into AoS, just say that they're dwarfs who survived during Sigmar's abscence by using their daemon engines to keep the hordes of chaos at bay. Which could make them both an order & a chaos faction depending on how far you'd like the corruption to go. If nothing else they should've combined the two, it'd give the fyreslayers some much needed variation and depth.

Let's just wait and see if GW give Fyreslayers a Wave 2, hmm? There's still potential for this to be done at some point in the next couple of years.

 

[Canas]

Let's just wait and see if GW give Fyreslayers a Wave 2, hmm? There's still potential for this to be done at some point in the next couple of years.

I'd say it would be wave 3 given that they already have a 2nd tome. But sure they can always add something neat, though I'm not sure what could be added that actually fits with slayers.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

I'd say it would be wave 3 given that they already have a 2nd tome. But sure they can always add something neat, though I'm not sure what could be added that actually fits with slayers.

I've thought of some fun ideas:

• Animated statues of Grimnir - given that they already know how to awaken power stored in runes hammered into themselves, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to be able to do the same with stone statues.
• A chariot drawn by young Magmadroths, and/or a hunting pack-style unit with baby Magmadroths being herded by Slayers dedicated to raising them - given that Magmadroths are an essential part of Fyreslayer culture and symbolism, why not develop that further?
• Female Fyreslayer warriors - why not, given that some of the many children Runefathers have with their wives will inevitably be daughters?

As for Chaos Dwarfs, perhaps GW could reinvent the lore behind the existing miniatures as the Fyreslayers' dark counterparts, given that there are lore confirmations of Fyreslayers becoming AoS Chaos Dwarfs?

 

[Canas]

• Animated statues of Grimnir - given that they already know how to awaken power stored in runes hammered into themselves, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to be able to do the same with stone statues.

Fun, but doesn't exactly fit in with fyreslayers without significantly altering or expanding lore. Which imho is kind of the issue. GW have kind of painted themselves into a corner by making a minor cult into an entire civilisation. So new stuff can't deviate from the cult niche too much. And since they didn't give them much to begin with it's difficult to add anything onto it. Any new use of ur-gold would require a lot of explaining. At least the statues being avatars of their god makes it a relativly simple addition I guess.

• A chariot drawn by young Magmadroths, and/or a hunting pack-style unit with baby Magmadroths being herded by Slayers dedicated to raising them - given that Magmadroths are an essential part of Fyreslayer culture and symbolism, why not develop that further?

Fits better in with their established lore, but doesn't add much. At least it could help flesh out magmadroths.

• Female Fyreslayer warriors - why not, given that some of the many children Runefathers have with their wives will inevitably be daughters?

How exactly would those be any different from their male counterparts though? Simply giving them a different axe doesn't add much if they're still just another variant of a berserker with orange hair and gold stamped into their bodies.

As for Chaos Dwarfs, perhaps GW could reinvent the lore behind the existing miniatures as the Fyreslayers' dark counterparts, given that there are lore confirmations of Fyreslayers becoming AoS Chaos Dwarfs?

Might be, who knows. In all honesty though, I'd rather see no more new factions for a while. We're nearly at 30, fleshing out the established ones seems more worthwhile.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

That stegadon vs destroyer picture is great, where was that from??

It's from the Forge World book...

to be honest it's dissapointing we got fyreslayers instead of the chaos dwarfs.

If nothing else they should've combined the two, it'd give the fyreslayers some much needed variation and depth.

The Chaos Dwarfs don't like any of their former brethren!!! They'd rather scalp them than fight alongside of them.

 

[Canas]

The Chaos Dwarfs don't like any of their former brethren!!! They'd rather scalp them than fight alongside of them.

I know, I mean they should've combined them into a spiritual succesor of both. Take the corruption, cruelty & warmachines from chaos dwarfs & combine that with the slayers cult as a civilization wide shame over falling to corruption so low. It could be an interesting combination. The corruption and shame being some nice points of interest to hinge their culture upon. And it would work quite well with how the fyreslayers survived the chaos onslaught as well as giving them a much more fleshed out background beyond "slayers, but somehow an entire civilization of them".

 

[Wazz]

Fyreslayers took 3rd at Cancon! My vote wins!!! Lmao jk jk. Was nice to see a list for them with a little bit more than Hearthguard Berserker spam.

 

[Wazz]

They could add "the crazed" can't remember the term but some Fyreslayers get so gold lusty or driven mad from trying to be Grimwraths that they get kicked out of the lodge.

Sorry for the double post!

 

[DeathBringer125]

Fyreslayers took 3rd at Cancon! My vote wins!!! Lmao jk jk. Was nice to see a list for them with a little bit more than Hearthguard Berserker spam.

Who won first and second?

 

[Carnikang]

Who won first and second?

New Book Changehost Tzeentch, then Petrifax Bonereapers with Nagash.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

I know, I mean they should've combined them into a spiritual succesor of both. Take the corruption, cruelty & warmachines from chaos dwarfs & combine that with the slayers cult as a civilization wide shame over falling to corruption so low. It could be an interesting combination. The corruption and shame being some nice points of interest to hinge their culture upon. And it would work quite well with how the fyreslayers survived the chaos onslaught as well as giving them a much more fleshed out background beyond "slayers, but somehow an entire civilization of them".

The Chaos Dwarfs already have the "shame" aspect of slayers in the form of their Infernal Guard. The Infernal Guard are simply a more armored and crueler version of slayers.

 

[Canas]

The Chaos Dwarfs already have the "shame" aspect of slayers in the form of their Infernal Guard. The Infernal Guard are simply a more armored and crueler version of slayers.

I mean that the slayers collectivly could have the "shame" of having being so corrupted by chaos/having fallen so low in order to survive under the dominion of chaos. It'd explain why the "shame" is civilization-wide, and not just that there's occasional individuals who happen to be shamed, and thus why the cult suddenly became civilization-wide, instead of just the occasional temple/lodge/whatever dedicated to the cult.

On that note, why are the fyreslayers all in the slayer cult? What is the current explenation for the entire civilization being so ashamed they all became slayers? Or has that largely dissappeared now and they just dress up as slayers cuz that resembles their god but most of them aren't actual slayers in the traditional sense? @Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl I'm sure you can explain this.

 

[Wazz]

From what I remember they all worshipped Grimnir, but when he died they couldn't avenge him bc Vilcatrix died, so they decided to "reclaim" him by collecting the Ur-gold to basically rebuild him.