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AoS NEW *rumor*

Canas said:
Looks like a new warcry warband given the weird mix of weapons.
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That's what a lot of people are saying, but it's only two weapons. The melee Forge Weapons and the short-range anti-horde Flamehurlers. That and it's a 10-man unit. Unless there are other 10-man units in Warcry it kind of looks like just a new unit.

Canas said:
Honestly, battalions should've been used to encourage nice mixed lists instead of the spam of whatever is powerfull a lot of lists devolve into... But for some reason they never managed to get a battalion that achieved anything close to that.
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3e battalions are just meh. The idea of core battalions was a good one, especially given how some factions had utterly OP battalions and some had useless ones. But the 3e method of plugging battalions into your list rather than building a list around the battalion doesn't do much to affect your listbuilding.

It doesn't help that some of them really benefit your army as a whole (Warlord, Command Entourage, Battle Regiment), while most of the rest are just "one unit in this battalion can get a generic CA for free once per game." I would much rather have seen battalions in 3e give you something that benefits the whole battalion, even if it's only once per game. Either that or each unit in the battalion can get the benefit once per game, rather than taking a battalion only to buff one unit once per game.
 
Kilvakar said:
That's what a lot of people are saying, but it's only two weapons. The melee Forge Weapons and the short-range anti-horde Flamehurlers. That and it's a 10-man unit. Unless there are other 10-man units in Warcry it kind of looks like just a new unit.
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2 weapons, but 3 different "special" models. Especially the "ruinator" gives it away as a warcry unit, since it's just a random model getting 1 extra attack on a fairly standard weapon.

Kilvakar said:
3e battalions are just meh. The idea of core battalions was a good one, especially given how some factions had utterly OP battalions and some had useless ones. But the 3e method of plugging battalions into your list rather than building a list around the battalion doesn't do much to affect your listbuilding.

It doesn't help that some of them really benefit your army as a whole (Warlord, Command Entourage, Battle Regiment), while most of the rest are just "one unit in this battalion can get a generic CA for free once per game." I would much rather have seen battalions in 3e give you something that benefits the whole battalion, even if it's only once per game. Either that or each unit in the battalion can get the benefit once per game, rather than taking a battalion only to buff one unit once per game.
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The "ones per battle do a CA for free"-type battalions are terrible and I'm not sure why they keep putting them in. They're not complicated to include, and the actual bonus is so minor it barely matters.

The ones that give army-wide bonusses are already a lot better. At the very least they encourage a healthy mix of heroes & battleline and such. They're just relativly boring & nowhere near niche enough to encourage getting a specific build. An extra artifact is nice and all, but it isn't going to encourage you to bring say a cavalry battalion to balance out your infantry focused army.
 
Killer Angel said:
Another thing i have some issue with:
There is a couple of strong subfactions: one that lets you inflict MWs on charge on a 5+ for each charging model, and one that negates Ward saves.
- the "MWs on 5+" works only with bladegheist
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well good you want to take blade gasts any way
Killer Angel said:
- the "no ward" works only with Dreadshyte harridans (a unit that lacks rend, so it helps in dealing some damage)
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every thing in the book has rend 0-3 so they are going to be fine

Killer Angel said:
i don't particularly like when a battletome basically forces me to "play this unit minimum 3x"
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then go emerald host it's the best one anyway. being able to invalidate foot heroes and prophile monsters is nasty as heck
 
Canas said:
Honestly, battalions should've been used to encourage nice mixed lists instead of the spam of whatever is powerfull a lot of lists devolve into... But for some reason they never managed to get a battalion that achieved anything close to that.
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old thunder lizard did that. the old free guild one to. they where out there but then they disided ianything deamon counted or anything on foot.
 
Erta Wanderer said:
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Have we got any warscrolls for the Legionnaires or Centaurion Marshal?
 
Erta Wanderer said:
old thunder lizard did that. the old free guild one to. they where out there but then they disided ianything deamon counted or anything on foot.
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Those definitly came closer, at the very least they mixed units. But still didn't quite reach what I would've liked.Nothing stopped (or at least discouraged) you from bringing half an army worth of bastilladons for example. It's a shame though, cuz they would've been great for this.
 
yes, it was too cheap before, but now i doubt we'll see it in play. Especially given that those 3d3 MW are nice and all, but there are certain armies that won't let you ever reach the "6" level (SoB, certain ogor or ironjawz lists...).
It was the only "big hitter" of NH... with that cost, i wonder if it's the case to invest a little more and go for the incarnate.
 
Killer Angel said:
yes, it was too cheap before, but now i doubt we'll see it in play. Especially given that those 3d3 MW are nice and all, but there are certain armies that won't let you ever reach the "6" level (SoB, certain ogor or ironjawz lists...).
It was the only "big hitter" of NH... with that cost, i wonder if it's the case to invest a little more and go for the incarnate.
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at 335 it has to contend with 20 blade gasts at 350 and they are CRAZY. 3 attacks at 2/2/1-3/1 and mas MW every time they charge and they charge every turn. evertthing in the book has to contend with this monster of a unit.
 
Looks like I was wrong and, as the rumourmongers on TGA keep harping on about, it will be Skaven vs Sylvaneth - the Warhammer Community banner on the Warhammer Fest title has changed to a definite Skaven one:
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There goes my Beastman theory, but like my Skaven a lot, and because the symbol is Clan Eshin, we may well finally see a new set of Night Runners/Gutter Runners (pity I have already bought and made some of the old 'Monkey Rat' ones, but I've only made them as Night Runners, so maybe I could grab some to be Gutter Runners).

And as for Beastmen, maybe they'll be up for the Chaos book (and with luck some new models) in the Autumn?
 
Given the skaven warband that was shown earlier, honestly not that surprising.
 
If they announce new Night Runners I would not know what to do with myself, of course lovely new models but urrmmmm (Turns and looks at the 60-80 Night Runners in the collection) Do I really need some new ones?
Would also love some Beastmen, maybe something for the Centigors to make them a battleline similar to how Bullgors are battleline when you take a Doombull
 
Yeah, unless they've got more to reveal looks like Skaven (and by extension, Seraphon) probably won't be getting a range refresh this edition. :( Just the "one new foot hero" treatment.

Wonder which one we'll get?
 
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