AoS Let's talk about nerfs and buffs from 3.0

[Christopher]

EotG and/or trog picking up the priest keyword would be a big buff. The engine is already looking solid since it's points were basically unchanged, and gaining priest on the trog would explain the 50 point increase. Both would be great to utilize curse as they can play forward much more effectively than a foot priest

This may have already been addressed upthread but if so, I over-read it so apologies for the repetition.

The errata says:

Page 95 – Engine of the Gods, Description
Change the Description to:
‘SKINK PRIEST: An Engine of the Gods is commanded by a Skink Priest.​

But it does not say to add the PRIEST keyword to the warscroll and does not add a prayer. So does that mean it can't use the generic prayers, and if that is the case, what's the point of this change?

 

[Dread Saurian]

Rob does talk about when there is an oddball unit in a list, or when something is used in a very specific way. Which the Trog is.

Outside of being a good platform for Kroak in 2.0, taking them both now nets you 700 points for one combo. And without something else going for it, it may not even be used then. Possibly? Sure. Is it amazing? No. Am I going to use mine and have it die to shooting or some inane tarpit unit? Probably, it always seems to happen.

We shall see how things pan out soon enough. I doubt there will be any further warscroll updates.

It's actually more because of the saurus guard for kroak

 

[Dread Saurian]

This may have already been addressed upthread but if so, I over-read it so apologies for the repetition.

The errata says:

Page 95 – Engine of the Gods, Description
Change the Description to:
‘SKINK PRIEST: An Engine of the Gods is commanded by a Skink Priest.​

But it does not say to add the PRIEST keyword to the warscroll and does not add a prayer. So does that mean it can't use the generic prayers, and if that is the case, what's the point of this change?

No it is a priest now. It can do priest spells

 

[Christopher]

No it is a priest now. It can do priest spells

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm just worried about running into someone who will cite the first sentence of 20.0:

A unit with the PRIEST keyword on its warscroll is a PRIEST.
​

I'm envisioning a situation, I mean, where such an opponent might make the argument that that sentence means that units without the PRIEST keyword are not PRIESTS.

I suppose that would be a classic rules-as-written/rules-as-intended situation. I've put in a question about it to the provided email address, but maybe there's something in the Core Rules that clears this up?

 

[Carnikang]

It's actually more because of the saurus guard for kroak

With Guard (100) it becomes 800. Trog is 270 and Kroak is 430. That's a huge chunk for a limp noodle slapper of a monster and a really good frog that has a very slim chance to kill himself whenever he casts a spell. (Like .002 percent or something)

 

[Dread Saurian]

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm just worried about running into someone who will cite the first sentence of 20.0:

A unit with the PRIEST keyword on its warscroll is a PRIEST.
​

I'm envisioning a situation, I mean, where such an opponent might make the argument that that sentence means that units without the PRIEST keyword are not PRIESTS.

I suppose that would be a classic rules-as-written/rules-as-intended situation. I've put in a question about it to the provided email address, but maybe there's something in the Core Rules that clears this up?

Tell those troglodons that FAQ errata>rules

 

[Dread Saurian]

With Guard (100) it becomes 800. Trog is 270 and Kroak is 430. That's a huge chunk for a limp noodle slapper of a monster and a really good frog that has a very slim chance to kill himself whenever he casts a spell. (Like .002 percent or something)

Are you telling me what a huge investment is? Because while I get that 800 is a lot(and for kroaks warscroll thi do not believe it is worthwhile) I literally use up 1020 points for 2 behemoths in my army and I am beyond happy with my results every time I play

 

[Tyranitar]

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm just worried about running into someone who will cite the first sentence of 20.0:

A unit with the PRIEST keyword on its warscroll is a PRIEST.
​

I'm envisioning a situation, I mean, where such an opponent might make the argument that that sentence means that units without the PRIEST keyword are not PRIESTS.

I suppose that would be a classic rules-as-written/rules-as-intended situation. I've put in a question about it to the provided email address, but maybe there's something in the Core Rules that clears this up?

Just want to clarify this, the EotG is NOT a priest and does not get prayers etc. The reason for the clarification is that it distinguishes it from the mount. @Putzfrau clarified this in the new rumor thread as well, it was in one of our earlier faqs too. Unfortunately the EotG is the same as it always was, however since it's points didn't really change it might see more use in the coming months

 

[Christopher]

Just want to clarify this, the EotG is NOT a priest and does not get prayers etc. The reason for the clarification is that it distinguishes it from the mount. @Putzfrau clarified this in the new rumor thread as well, it was in one of our earlier faqs too. Unfortunately the EotG is the same as it always was, however since it's points didn't really change it might see more use in the coming months

The points thing is an excellent point. Why would the points bump be so low if they're adding a significant amount of power to the unit?

 

[NecridHydra]

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm just worried about running into someone who will cite the first sentence of 20.0:

A unit with the PRIEST keyword on its warscroll is a PRIEST.
​

I'm envisioning a situation, I mean, where such an opponent might make the argument that that sentence means that units without the PRIEST keyword are not PRIESTS.

I suppose that would be a classic rules-as-written/rules-as-intended situation. I've put in a question about it to the provided email address, but maybe there's something in the Core Rules that clears this up?

With that way of thinking of yours, a Starpriest, is still a priest because it's on his name.

The counterargument of your opponent is perfectly valid. I could argue that Varanguards are Demons because the lore states X but as long as the keyword doesn't appear on the warscroll, that unit is not that. Otherwise we could use wound bonuses on Skinks or Kroxigors.

 

[Christopher]

With that way of thinking of yours, a Starpriest, is still a priest because it's on his name.

The counterargument of your opponent is perfectly valid. I could argue that Varanguards are Demons because the lore states X but as long as the keyword doesn't appear on the warscroll, that unit is not that. Otherwise we could use wound bonuses on Skinks or Kroxigors.

Yeah, I'm convinced that the only unit we have able to chant prayers is the Skink Priest. I didn't say anything about Starpriests, I don't think?

 

[Dread Saurian]

Just want to clarify this, the EotG is NOT a priest and does not get prayers etc. The reason for the clarification is that it distinguishes it from the mount. @Putzfrau clarified this in the new rumor thread as well, it was in one of our earlier faqs too. Unfortunately the EotG is the same as it always was, however since it's points didn't really change it might see more use in the coming months

even more clarification keywords are keywords.
your statement would also apply to the dread saurian's totem keyword so what? it cant buff itself? also it is specifically treated as 1 unit not 2 separate units. if they did treat em as 2 separate units there would be a hp numeral for both the skink and the stegadon eotg.(oh i miss that lovely thing about old whfb)

yeah no thanks im still gonna enjoy the game
so until they(GW) specifically address it (which they havent still in the last 2 faqs) i will treat it as a priest. and continue to until the gw guy at the store i play at tells me otherwise. And besides its not like you would take anything other than heal with eotg to keep on the hp gains

I GOT TROGLODON NEXT TO MY PIC YEET!

 

[Canas]

This may have already been addressed upthread but if so, I over-read it so apologies for the repetition.

The errata says:

Page 95 – Engine of the Gods, Description
Change the Description to:
‘SKINK PRIEST: An Engine of the Gods is commanded by a Skink Priest.​

But it does not say to add the PRIEST keyword to the warscroll and does not add a prayer. So does that mean it can't use the generic prayers, and if that is the case, what's the point of this change?

It has to do with general traits and artifacts and such. Originally the stegadon was the hero, and not a mount.

 

[exwhyzero]

After looking at the old FaQ as well, that also said '
SKINK PRIEST: An Engine of the Gods is commanded
by a Skink Priest'

So unless the EotG gains the skinkpreists stats/ abilities then I would say it does not count as a priest for abilities.

 

[Tyranitar]

The points thing is an excellent point. Why would the points bump be so low if they're adding a significant amount of power to the unit?

Well, they didn't add power to it as it is not a priest for the purposes of chanting prayers, banishing invocations, etc

 

[Christopher]

Well, they didn't add power to it as it is not a priest for the purposes of chanting prayers, banishing invocations, etc

That's...the entire point of this discussion.

 

[Tyranitar]

That's...the entire point of this discussion.

Right, I understand now. I read your initial statement as questioning why the points adjustment was low since they added power, not as an affirmation that they didn't adjust the points much since they didn't add power. We're on the same page now

 

[Christopher]

Somebody on another site pointed out that the Bonesplitterz Wardokk already had the Priest and Wizard keywords and only went up 5 points (to 85!).

 

[Dread Saurian]

Somebody on another site pointed out that the Bonesplitterz Wardokk already had the Priest and Wizard keywords and only went up 5 points (to 85!).

How does that unit work out in crunch? My nephew wants to make an army of orruks and I'm trying to give him some ideas on it

 

[Christopher]

How does that unit work out in crunch? My nephew wants to make an army of orruks and I'm trying to give him some ideas on it

I don’t know about crunch but I would be astonished if they don’t raise the points cost significantly or eliminate one or the other of the keywords in the next errata drop.