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AoS General's Handbook Leaks

Anybody else feel that Tree & Spite Revenants are WAY overcosted? I mean, just comparing them to Saurus... kinda bizarre. Can't wrap my head around the high points cost.

In case anyone hasn't seen the leaks: a Spite/Tree-Revenant model costs twice as much as Saurus.

Spites don't really seem to put out wounds (like 1 or 2 per model before saves), they're slow, poor save, poor bravery... so not seeing a to of useability out of them unless the battalions hold the secret.

Tree Revenants are a good deal better as the more 'martial' choice, but even then... not a lot of punch or survivability coming from that unit. I dunno.

Maybe the idea is to adopt Sylvaneth-specific terrain to beef them up, but even that will kind of raise the points-per-model. Whether it's enough to make them worth it remains to be seen, I guess.
 
Ixt said:
Anybody else feel that Tree & Spite Revenants are WAY overcosted? I mean, just comparing them to Saurus... kinda bizarre. Can't wrap my head around the high points cost.

In case anyone hasn't seen the leaks: a Spite/Tree-Revenant model costs twice as much as Saurus.

Spites don't really seem to put out wounds (like 1 or 2 per model before saves), they're slow, poor save, poor bravery... so not seeing a to of useability out of them unless the battalions hold the secret.

Tree Revenants are a good deal better as the more 'martial' choice, but even then... not a lot of punch or survivability coming from that unit. I dunno.

Maybe the idea is to adopt Sylvaneth-specific terrain to beef them up, but even that will kind of raise the points-per-model. Whether it's enough to make them worth it remains to be seen, I guess.
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I played with them this weekend. I agree. They had zero impact at all
 
On the flipside, I feel that Kurnoth Hunters are pretty undercosted.

They can put out some really fantastic damage (either in CC or at range), and theyre seriously tanky. 4+ re-rollable save with 5 wounds and decent bravery? Yes please. Coupled with an abundance of healing abilities available to Sylvaneth and they become a real threat. All for a bargain 180 points for 3!

Totally unrelated note, they make a fantastic gunline alongside a bastiladon ;)
 
Ixt said:
Anybody else feel that Tree & Spite Revenants are WAY overcosted? I mean, just comparing them to Saurus... kinda bizarre. Can't wrap my head around the high points cost.

In case anyone hasn't seen the leaks: a Spite/Tree-Revenant model costs twice as much as Saurus.

Spites don't really seem to put out wounds (like 1 or 2 per model before saves), they're slow, poor save, poor bravery... so not seeing a to of useability out of them unless the battalions hold the secret.

Tree Revenants are a good deal better as the more 'martial' choice, but even then... not a lot of punch or survivability coming from that unit. I dunno.
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Thor0298 said:
I played with them this weekend. I agree. They had zero impact at all
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I don't know...
haven't played against them, so i'm just judging them on paper.

Tree can be sufficiently dangerous in combat, due to rend -1, what sells them is the ability to move within S. Wyldwood: spam wyldwood on the battlefield, and you can have a unit capable of distant objectives control. And Martial memory can be really useful.

Spite seem worthless... unless you plan some tactic to exploit battleshock (in combination with seraphon? ;)).

they don't seem bad, but certainly you had to work a lot on them.
There are many units that are actually overpriced: TK's Skeleton hormemen is another one... and yet I'm planning to use them anyway! :D
 
I played sylvaneth vs flesh eaters this weekend. Sylvaneth were man handled badly. Even the healing and hunters having reroll fail saves they majorly underperformed. Two turn game
 
I've payed two games with scenarios from the General's Handbook - My impressions are the scenarios are wel thought out and good fun to play - points are fairly baanced but not perfect (few units overcosted) - Armies are generally a bit smaller that 100 pool SCGT forces.
 
Xlanax_lot said:
I like most of the thibgs about the new style of playing... The only thing I am really dispointed on is the way summoning will work.

Although true that helding some points in reserve to summon the exact tools you need during the game can provide a tactical advantage, it aldo brings many drawbacks to our armies such as:

1. If your slan iskilled than, boom! Thats not only the slann down but allso all the points you have in reserve

2. You are not guaranteed you will be able to summon as it a spell, and to worsen it some more, you are now only allowed to cast the same spell once per turn per army, independent of how many wizards know it. This means that unless you get a small summoning pool you wont be able to summon all the different units you wanted.

3. Now that summoning is not as good as before the slann's magic use is very disapointing, his inherit spell is not that good and the other two can be thrown by simple skink priest that will probably be cheaper. So the slann escentially becomes a support model.

This is all still based on speculation, and I gess we will have to wait and see how summoning will be comped but the ways things are looking at the moment I dont like it that much.

If it was something simillar to the SCGT comp than the story changes because this allows you to get as much as twice the points you hold on reserve makint the potential benefits worth the risk.


What dou you guys think about the new way summoning is suposed to work?

Do you like it?
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I agree. The Slann Starmaster went from 100% must (imo) to basically "eh, in matched play might as well not even use him" I will say one way to utilize this new mechanic(s) of summoning for Seraphon is as follows. The new release of General's Handbook FAQ states that your summoning pool, the "reserve points", CAN infact exceed the limitations to Leaders and Behemoths in your army. So in like a 2000 pt game (what people are talking about being "standard"), you can bring 3 Behemoths in your army, and then in your reserve list, you can bring any number of Behemoths that will not count towards the cap. And unlike almost every other Allegiance, Seraphon can bombard the field with Behemoths. I think they can summon more than any other force if I'm not mistaken. Yes, it BLOWS that only Slann's can summon from the standard summoning spells throughout the army. And it blows that even tho we can technically break the behemoth and leader cap, the fact that these are still DICE ROLLS and can very easily fail, really leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

2nd Note. about the Engine of the Gods. It states in the FAQ that abilities, NOT SPELLS, but passive abilities that bring on more units/models to your table DO NOT COUNT AS SUMMONING in the sense that, you do not need to pay any reserve points for models or units that are added to the table this way. Like Engine of the Gods, or Alarielle etc.

So theoretically you could build a list of like 1200-1300 ish points then leave a few hundred in reserve to summon a ton of monsters or heroes. or just use engine of the gods and hope for that 14-17, then you can literally summon anything Seraphon you want lol.
 
Can you point me in the direction of your source for 'abilities' that summon not counting towards your reinforcement points please?
 
I don't see that for the summoning abilities either. I agree kroak and Slann are so heavy costed now I see them as almost worthless to take pointswise.
 
Thor0298 said:
I don't see that for the summoning abilities either. I agree kroak and Slann are so heavy costed now I see them as almost worthless to take pointswise.
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No.

A Slann costs 260 points, and they're all well spent:
First, the flexibility that summoning gives to you, especially playing with objectives, is still golden, so it's a good tactic to spare some points to summon something.
Second, the Slann gives to you the 2 basic spells and the chance to dispel enemy's magic. And Arcane Vassal can only help your threatening range.
Third, the Constellation gives you great boosts.
Fourth, the command ability of the Slann is far from bad.

Kroak is costly, yeah, but there's nothing that can compete with his magical bombardment. At 2000 pts he's definitely playable.
 
I suppose I see Slann. Kroak I still don't know I've played with some pricey big guys. I just don't know if he puts out enough damage. Although I suppose now that we can summon over limits you could summon a bastiladon every turn. No one could handle 5-6 of those on the table
 
I think the Slaan pricing is fine. As Killer Angel noted, you get a lot for the points. I also like the 3" range on his lightning attack.
 
Does a Stegadon that carries a skink alpha cost more? There doesn't seem to be any specific cost for the alpha in the photos ?

Thanks in advance
 
Here's to hoping they will bring more updates for the Seraphon soon. After all, all those expensive costs are based on the Slann and Lord Kroak being able to summon as they see fit. Not with the reserve points being taken into account.
 
Last time I checked if your race doesn't have a way to summon then reserve points are worthless, it doesn't work the same as in 40K. With that in mind their costs are fine and Kroak's ability is worth that much.
 
benclark said:
Last time I checked if your race doesn't have a way to summon then reserve points are worthless, it doesn't work the same as in 40K. With that in mind their costs are fine and Kroak's ability is worth that much.
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True, but unfortunately he is a bit expensive right now.
 
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