As I've mentioned above in this thread, the UK isn't 'crashing and burning'. Yes, there are some issues right now, but, as with any nation, they only occur in some parts of the country and not others. Some places may be shitholes, but there are lots of places in other nations that are shitholes too (and after seeing excerpts of a TV programme on Detroit recently, I can safely say that nowhere in the UK is as bad as a place riven with shells of houses burnt down by gangs and abandoned by their fleeing inhabitants, and households of drug dealers around every corner).
Detroit is a hellscape shithole. But that is a different discussion.
I never once claimed that all regions of the UK were "crashing and burning". I'm sure there are very lovely spots that, at least from now, have remained untouched. And I truly hope that these areas continue to remain untarnished. I'm not cheering against you (UK), I'm cheering for you. We're on the same side. Like I said, I spent ten months in London about a decade and a half back, and have very fond memories of my time there. So when I see videos of the things going on in London, it genuinely makes me sad... and then angry. It doesn't look like how it did back then. It's slipped very badly over a relatively short time.
I don't dispute your observations on how the trouble is localized. Currently, the UK is probably dealing with problematic spots. But you know what happens when you see a spot of mold on a piece of food, come back a little later and it has spread. So the problems in London might well be knocking on your door in a few years time (but I sincerely hope it doesn't).
Though at least you've had the common sense to acknowledge that similar problems are happening elsewhere in the West (though I hope you remain aware that Western nations outside of Europe also have significant issues)
It's happening all over the place. Europe, USA, Canada and Australia are all suffering from variations of the same thing. It's not a competition, but a warning for our mutual wellbeing.
I'd have still thought you'd have the respect for us over in Europe to want us to free ourselves out of these problems rather than at least one nation 'crashing and burning'.
You misinterpret my motives. Let me use an analogy. Sometimes a doctor has to amputate a limb to save the patient. The loss of the limb is a terrible price to pay, but it's better than the patient dying. The limb in this case is the country that I'm hoping will crash and burn. Let me explain.
The west and western values are under attack. We're literally
allowing ourselves to be invaded. I don't care about where someone is from or the pigment of their skin, that stuff is irrelevant. What I do care about is someone's culture, values and principles. My parents immigrated (legally) to Canada and they happily accepted the customs of this country, share its values and became productive citizens. They love this country and are proud to be here. They didn't come here to change this place and they made successful efforts to integrate into their new home. However, when you let people in who hold values that are diametrically opposed to your own, bad things will happen. A while back I saw a video of a Muslim preacher/agitator somewhere on the streets in the UK speaking loudly into a megaphone. He openly said to his assembled followers that the UK will eventually fall under sharia law. That they will outbreed (yes I know you guys don't like that word, but it was his point) the local population. When Britons have one child, they will have six or seven. In a generation or two, they will outvote you. This was not some sort of secret plan, he was shouting it for all to hear, with no fear or remorse. I wish I could link the video for you, but I watched it months ago and wouldn't know where to find it now. Make no mistiake, the numbers are shifting faster than we might like to admit and there is an impeding inflection point on the horizon. So we are left with a problem that could have been solved very easily ten years ago, is problematic to solve now, will require bloodshed to solve in the near future and soon after that it will be unsolvable.
The trajectory seems clear as day, but our governments are running headlong into it. They (and enough of the voting block) don't see the reality of it. And this takes us to my "crash and burn" strategy. Should a major European country go completely under (an accelerated version of what I just laid out), then maybe, just maybe it might wake the others up. The same thing would happen if Canada crashed and burned, but of course, since I live here, I'd rather it be France or Germany rather than it happening to us.
(we've all got our loyalties)
The best case scenario would be that no country needed to go under, but without it, I don't people will come to realize the danger until it is too late. So yeah, I would very much sacrifice European country "X", in order to save Canada, USA, Hungary and the UK. Speaking of Hungary, Victor Orban was the first to see it. Hungary is one of the few European countries that is not to be suffering from this. He shut down the border right away and told the EU to fuck off. But, election after election his adversaries grow. It only takes one bad election for all that work to be undone. But if major European country "X" were to fall, then the Hungarian voters might take notice and say "hmmm.... look what happened to those guys, maybe we shouldn't go down that path". And the Canadians, Americans and Brits might take notice too.
I fear that the alternative to the light bulb moment of seeing a major country falling, is that we all cross that point of no return together, and we all crash and burn together. So no, the ideal scenario in my mind is not for a European country to fall, it's just better than the (more probable) worst case scenario that may come to pass in its stead.
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