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The GREAT 40k thread

Warden said:
Members of both the Black Templars and Salamanders falling chaos? Very interesting!

In the Dornian Heresy, the Salamanders fell to Chaos and were Malal-worshipping pyromaniacs intent on seeing the entire galaxy burn; some heretical Salamanders in that vein would be interesting to see.

Not surprised about the Templars going that route of course. Part of my backstory for my first 40K Army was a Templar-force that had been forced out of their home sector due to a chaos invasion, and were corrupted by a Nurgle-plague inspired by the Knights of Lazarus (basically Knights Templar but with leprosy). If I ever were to strip and repaint that army I would 100% paint them up to have a nurgle influence.
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The Salamanders bit was kind of unsurprising, given that the Nick Kyme books prominently feature a Chaos warband led by fallen members of both the Salamanders and Salamanders-adjacent chapters (including the Black Dragons).

More on a tangential note, I'm already halfway through building some units for a Traitor alt to my usual Horus Heresy Salamanders list:
  • Praetor with jump pack, master-crafted thunder hammer and dragonscale stormshield;
  • Command squad retinue with jump packs (8 with volkite chargers and two lightning claws, 1 with legion standard and power axe);
  • Librarian (Biomancy) with jump pack, volkite charger and master-crafted force axe;
  • Moritat with jump pack and two volkite serpentas; and
  • Destroyer Assault Squad (8 with dual hand flamers, 2 with rad missile launchers with suspensors)
Incidentally, with the sole exception of the moritat (which I still need to source a model for), all of these models have been using Chaos Raptors of some kind as the base model. The Praetor himself was converted from Haarkon Worldclaimer for instance.
 
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Warden said:
In the Dornian Heresy, the Salamanders fell to Chaos and were Malal-worshipping pyromaniacs intent on seeing the entire galaxy burn; some heretical Salamanders in that vein would be interesting to see.
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Just looked this up. Even though I'm not interested in the Horus Heresy (not enough Xenos content!!!!!), I am interested in 'Mirror Universe' scenarios, and like the idea of being able to play good guy Thousand Sons who have retained their Egyptian iconography.

The Black Templars being the only chapter that remains loyalist and the Black Legion being the only chapter that remains Chaotic (though both with different origins to their prime universe counterparts) is interesting.

The Ultramarines becoming a separatist faction that fights both Imperium and Chaos and contemplates borrowing Xenos technology while promoting a more tolerant atmosphere feels quite Matt Wardian (and steals the Leagues of Votann's thunder), but is also quite funny, one big troll face toward the Imperium of the prime universe, and an excuse to call them a Xenos faction now. Also I'm pleased to see that Hive Fleet Behemoth still arrives to tear through their Segmentum, plus the Orks and the Tau decide to join the party.

I wonder how this alternative universe would fully affect the Xenos races?
 
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New scheme v old scheme. What do we think? I did not paint the old scheme, and I thought it was a good color combo to try.

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I finished my second Deathwatch Contemptor Dreadnought, the Ancient Harun Abbas of the extinct Lions Sable chapter.

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Very pleased with the result, though I notice now the matte varnish did not seem to work on the base for some reason?

Anyway, here is his chapter heraldry, made with both some custom transfers I printed myself and some leftover fleur-de-lis from my Bretonnia transfers!

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It's so depressing that this is true.
30k is all yellow in the same way.
 
BrotherSutek said:
It's so depressing that this is true.
30k is all yellow in the same way.
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Which is kind of annoying because the Fists didn't really do much prior to the Siege of Terra outside of a handful of engagements when compared to other legions (especially the Smurfs).
 
ChapterAquila92 said:
Which is kind of annoying because the Fists didn't really do much prior to the Siege of Terra outside of a handful of engagements when compared to other legions (especially the Smurfs).
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I tend to rant on this a bit so I'll make it brief lol. IF have slowly been changed in the warhammer fluff, now they were the best Legion in the crusades other than maybe the Lunar Wolves. Previous fluff of it being the Lunar, Dark Angels and Space Wolves is no longer valid. The story of Dorn killing Alpharius was a ham fisted ending to an otherwise decent book. The only purpose was to have Dorn be smarter and better than Alpharius. It also made no sense in that Dorn is autisticly black and white morally and would never have trusted/believed Alpharius making the choice to " show Dorn how he had to keep Alpharius alive" completely invalid. Dorn didn't do much and was given the title of Primarch stay at home so he needed something to give him street cred and nothing says badass like a Primarch kill. Only one was available for that so there we go. Index Astartes, which is no longer canon I know, had Dorn with both positive and negative traits. It made him interesting and I actually started a IF force due to that. Years later they did what the Wardian Heresy did to Roubute to Dorn. No flaws and if they seem like flaws they are used as advantages. He became boring and a mary sue. The IF did many things and were impressive but they also had flaws like any other Legion, mind you they have also removed a good deal of the flaws from the Ultramarines in 30k which is also annoying, however they made Roubute an actual interesting character so I can look past it. Sorry about the rant, it just seems that once again story is out to the side and we lose out. They can make us mourn the loss of Kharn to the nails but don't understand that all characters benefit from that.
 
BrotherSutek said:
I tend to rant on this a bit so I'll make it brief lol. IF have slowly been changed in the warhammer fluff, now they were the best Legion in the crusades other than maybe the Lunar Wolves. Previous fluff of it being the Lunar, Dark Angels and Space Wolves is no longer valid. The story of Dorn killing Alpharius was a ham fisted ending to an otherwise decent book. The only purpose was to have Dorn be smarter and better than Alpharius. It also made no sense in that Dorn is autisticly black and white morally and would never have trusted/believed Alpharius making the choice to " show Dorn how he had to keep Alpharius alive" completely invalid. Dorn didn't do much and was given the title of Primarch stay at home so he needed something to give him street cred and nothing says badass like a Primarch kill. Only one was available for that so there we go. Index Astartes, which is no longer canon I know, had Dorn with both positive and negative traits. It made him interesting and I actually started a IF force due to that. Years later they did what the Wardian Heresy did to Roubute to Dorn. No flaws and if they seem like flaws they are used as advantages. He became boring and a mary sue. The IF did many things and were impressive but they also had flaws like any other Legion, mind you they have also removed a good deal of the flaws from the Ultramarines in 30k which is also annoying, however they made Roubute an actual interesting character so I can look past it. Sorry about the rant, it just seems that once again story is out to the side and we lose out. They can make us mourn the loss of Kharn to the nails but don't understand that all characters benefit from that.
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Oh, I know. Welcome to the eternal annoyance of every Shattered Legions player. LOL
 
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