AoS NEW *rumor*

[Dread Saurian]

I also can actually buy him now instead of proxying my slann

 

[chefofwar]

The hieght of all base sizes are the same right? If thats the case, then this is roughly the size difference between new and old Kroak
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what are the thoughts on that base size? 100mm circle? is that a thing?

 

[Kilvakar]

I like a warscroll change, he is pretty busted as is in a very oppressive way, but I'd be lying if I didnt say I'm fearing some GW style heavy handed nerfs. It would be devastating if they nerf him to the ground just as he gets a new beautiful model.

reading the article, they make it clear that kroak is one of the most powerful wizards in the realm,, so I don't think we get any nerf

It might not be a nerf in the sense that he becomes weaker, but rather that he becomes less viable from a competitive point of view via point increases. Im guessing he's going to be costed similarly to other god-characters like Morathi, Teclis or Alarielle, hopefully the new rules matches the new cost.

I absolutely think that he'll become stronger just on his own, but won't be able to take as many synergistic buffs. No more Balewind is almost a given, so only 4 spells per turn instead of 5. I can see them removing his ward save because he's no longer "dead," but I'm not sure about that. I imagine he'll rival Teclis in terms of casting, but probably won't have as many automatic buffs and debuffs. He's the single most complained-about unit in our book, so some balancing tweaks are sure to happen. But some of the god models are worth taking (Teclis, Archaon, Morathi), so let's hope he still fits into this category.

we must make sure this model sells out in the first day and stays out of stock for a year

Save one for me!!

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Well, we already know how good of a job GW can do with Saurus after seeing the Bloodbowl and Underworlds sculpts. I have to imagine that updated Warriors aren't out of the picture for the future. I won't lie, I'll be kind of sad for my 80 Warriors if that happens, though! Kroxigors just need to copy the Total War model at least for the most part. The "croc" is in the name, so just make them look the part!

Guessing it's too big for the balewind now, which removes at least some part of what made him so difficult to balance.
Hopefully they finally figured out what to do with celestial deliverance so it's no longer either super oppressive or far too weak to be worthwhile.

I'm curious if guards will still be able to guard him. On the one hand, a god model with guards seems like something that could easily become problematic, on the other hand guards are already extremely limited in what they can actually do. Removing one of the two models they can actually guard seems rather lame. Maybe we'l get a guard rework by extention.

Hopefully this also means a small update for the regular slann. With Kroak formally ascending to be among the god-models proper there's room for the regular slann to do a bit more. Would be nice to make a plain slann a bit more interesting.

Really curious about this warscroll, even if I don't particularly like god-models.

Also, amazing model; already feeling guilty about how badly I'l paint him.

Bit of a shame this came after our tome though. Not nearly as weird as the LRL and Slaanesh getting double releases, but I'd still love to know what weird logic GW bases it's scheduling on.

Yeah, not sure if they were already planning this when the new book came out. I personally think they started to realize how popular Seraphon really are after giving them a good rulebook so that newer players would actually feel like it was worth starting the army. So my personal bet would be that they made this new sculpt after the release of our new battletome.

I'm guessing that his spells like Celestial Deliverance will get a bit of a nerf in the damage department, but his casting strength will go up (like Teclis) and he'll probably get some new utility spells or abilities. And see above for the Balewind opinion.

I know that feeling. I may have to break down and pay somebody to paint this one for me.

I'm in the same boat! I haven't even started painting Skinks yet! (still waiting on GW's shipment weirdness) I certainly won't be able to do a model like this justice...

Given that the article says "after all this time, Kroak only seems to have grown in power. This is represented in your games with a new warscroll", i believe he could be even stronger than now.
And obviously with a points increase.

Im expecting 550+ pts and god level status. so like teclis, morathi, alarielle, nagash tier.

This is what I'm thinking. Big points hike, but he'll be much more powerful on his own. I do think, however, that he'll be *slightly* less effective than he his now with his full entourage. But if you have to find a way to nerf a combo, removing the combo but making the main unit better on it's own is a pretty decent way to do it.

It is unlikely we will receive any updated models alongside him. However, I have to imagine he's the first of what is to come down the road...

GW have just re-commited to Seraphon by updating Kroak and including us in advancing the setting for once (ostensibly).

I doubt there’s any battleline to come this time around; if we’re lucky it may be a dual Slann kit.
But I now don’t worry that Saurus won’t come one day.

I can almost see us getting the LRL treatment of a whole new book this year.

I doubt we'll get an entire new book. LRL only got one because GW had like another 2/3 of their army to release. I doubt we'll be seeing any entirely new units aside from a re-worked Kroak. However, this does indeed show that GW has finally realized that we're in need of model updates. And given our current popularity, if the new Kroak is a great seller (and I'm almost certain he will be, especially if his warscroll is good), I do think this signals the possibility of more model refreshes down the line.

Its painfully obvious there are two rules writing teams at GW and one writes strong books and the other writes trash. our current book was written by the good rules team. if we get a new book it may be written by the bad rules team. I dont want to suck again. ive been dealing with weak lizardmen books for 15 years. i want to stay strong for a while yet.

Same here, 100%. I only got a few games in with the old battletome. And while it wasn't bad to play, the hard truth was that our only real option to compete was to flood the board in summoned Skinks faster than the opponent could kill them. I really like our extremely wide variety for listbuilding options that are actually good right now. So I think a new book so soon after the old one couldn't be anything but a pretty big nerf.

Also, have there been any similar big named hero releases like this that didn't coincide with a bigger update? A new tome might be unlikely, but just releasing a super fancy new model like this with nothing else also seems rather weird.

Exactly. However, most of the new stuff that's been released alongside the big models has been just that, entirely new units with new models. We have yet to see a large range refresh for old armies that transitioned to AoS. However, GW seems to be doing just that with the Vampire Counts... I mean Soulblight Gravelords. So who knows? They might be running out of steam for entirely new army ideas and are looking to refresh older ones at long last...

 

[Kilvakar]

what are the thoughts on that base size? 100mm circle? is that a thing?

That is indeed a thing. The Eidolon of Mathlann is on a 100mm round base. Teclis is on a 160mm base, to give you an idea of scale.

 

[Dread Saurian]

That is indeed a thing. The Eidolon of Mathlann is on a 100mm round base. Teclis is on a 160mm base, to give you an idea of scale.

Fuck man it would be lit if kroak was on that gargantuan

 

[Just A Skink]

Where is this new book talk coming from?


Feel like it's probably just an updated kroak warscroll in BR belakor like they've done with other stuff.

Sorry @Putzfrau that was just me being kind of snarky. I don't REALLY think we'll get a new book, but it was a critique of the quick "re-release" of LRL and Slaanesh.

 

[Carnikang]

Fuck man it would be lit if kroak was on that gargantuan

Imagine if Kroak has a Dread Saurian as a mount?

Kaiju Kroaknado.

 

[Putzfrau]

Sorry @Putzfrau that was just me being kind of snarky. I don't REALLY think we'll get a new book, but it was critique of the quick "re-release" of LRL and Slaanesh.

Haha in that case we are already a bit overdue!

Imagine if they put us on that lrl timeline. Just nonstop new stuff.

 

[ArtoriusaurusRex]

We'll get another book eventually, but probably not til AoS 3.0 is at least several months to a year old, maybe more.


That Battletome will probably come with a line refresh...

 

[LordBaconBane]

Where is this new book talk coming from?


Feel like it's probably just an updated kroak warscroll in BR belakor like they've done with other stuff.

While unlikely, I do think it's possible for a Broken Realm Kroak book to come out. They hinted at an alliance with Morathi-Khaine and that Kroak is making a direct intervention. Yes, we're in BR Be'lakor, but if you told anyone here on Sunday we'd be getting a new Kroak the next day, you'd get laughed out the forum. It seems like a Kroak/MK alliance is a lot for a book about the return of the demon prince, and that GW said we'll learn about Kroak 'in a while' (he wont be available by the time we get our hands on BR Be'lakor)

Again, possible, unlikely, but possible.

 

[Putzfrau]

While unlikely, I do think it's possible for a Broken Realm Kroak book to come out. They hinted at an alliance with Morathi-Khaine and that Kroak is making a direct intervention. Yes, we're in BR Be'lakor, but if you told anyone here on Sunday we'd be getting a new Kroak the next day, you'd get laughed out the forum. It seems like a Kroak/MK alliance is a lot for a book about the return of the demon prince, and that GW said we'll learn about Kroak 'in a while' (he wont be available by the time we get our hands on BR Be'lakor)

Again, possible, unlikely, but possible.

Thats a great point!

Edit: I was just thinking... imagine if new kroak scroll is Allegiance locked. Coalesced would be kind of hilarious.

 

[Carnikang]

The thought of a Broken Realms Kroak has me slightly frantic. I need to paint now. Need to lets some paint fumes kill the optimism and wild speculation.

 

[Killer Angel]

While unlikely, I do think it's possible for a Broken Realm Kroak book to come out. They hinted at an alliance with Morathi-Khaine and that Kroak is making a direct intervention. Yes, we're in BR Be'lakor, but if you told anyone here on Sunday we'd be getting a new Kroak the next day, you'd get laughed out the forum. It seems like a Kroak/MK alliance is a lot for a book about the return of the demon prince, and that GW said we'll learn about Kroak 'in a while' (he wont be available by the time we get our hands on BR Be'lakor)

Again, possible, unlikely, but possible.

Instabuy!

 

[Dread Saurian]

Imagine if Kroak has a Dread Saurian as a mount?

Kaiju Kroaknado.

I can see it. Seraphons answer to vorgorath and skalok except with more magic control

 

[Jason839]

While unlikely, I do think it's possible for a Broken Realm Kroak book to come out. They hinted at an alliance with Morathi-Khaine and that Kroak is making a direct intervention. Yes, we're in BR Be'lakor, but if you told anyone here on Sunday we'd be getting a new Kroak the next day, you'd get laughed out the forum. It seems like a Kroak/MK alliance is a lot for a book about the return of the demon prince, and that GW said we'll learn about Kroak 'in a while' (he wont be available by the time we get our hands on BR Be'lakor)

Again, possible, unlikely, but possible.

There are also rumours that we team up with Sylvaneth in the Alarielle book. So it will be interesting to see what they do.

 

[Canas]

Fantastic model, I think it will get the Starborne keyword and change the Temple Guard rule. Coalesced and Guard +16 Wounds
(God treatment) is heavy

I'd really hope they don't limit him to starborne. Coalesced already is already not particularly brilliant.

I'm guessing that his spells like Celestial Deliverance will get a bit of a nerf in the damage department, but his casting strength will go up (like Teclis) and he'll probably get some new utility spells or abilities. And see above for the Balewind opinion.

Honestly if he gets more utility, a vaguely decent profile where he no longer needs the guard & losses some damage I'd be fine with that. The loss of damage might even be a good excuse to keep his point costs reasonably low.

Exactly. However, most of the new stuff that's been released alongside the big models has been just that, entirely new units with new models. We have yet to see a large range refresh for old armies that transitioned to AoS. However, GW seems to be doing just that with the Vampire Counts... I mean Soulblight Gravelords. So who knows? They might be running out of steam for entirely new army ideas and are looking to refresh older ones at long last...

I'd be fine with that. Most of our models are fine-ish, we don't need an entire new line. I'm just hoping they'l do more than the one unit.

 

[ByzantineByron]

After spending all of yesterday struggling with Finecast and pinning my old Lord Kroak I'm pumped that they've got a new one out.

I need him now, like right now immediately. Hell I'll buy two in the hopes that I can run one as a normal Slann.

 

[Imrahil]

Is he? I would swear it's a backpack.


I mean sure, but this can't possibly be good PR-wise. Especially when you consider that the pandemic has slowed things down. I mean, would this mean that without the pandemic they'd had gotten a new tome within like half a year?


I prefered the SCE, even they didn't get an entire new tome this quickly during a pandemic where everything's slowed down to a crawl.

Not sure If shown before, but:


It looks like a giant shoe or boot to me...

Grrr, Imrahil

 

[NecridHydra]

In general, I agree with you, we finally get a centerpiece ala Nagash/Teclis. I think he'll have 12+W so he wont be able to use the Balewind Vortex, a shame, but in return his spells will have a longer reach. I also think that he'll lose the ability to generate CP as today but I disagree that Guard won't be able to protect him, as some of you say, because of the lore. Remember that, Inmortis Guard is able to protect Katakros or Nagash.

Fantastic model, I think it will get the Starborne keyword and change the Temple Guard rule. Coalesced and Guard +16 Wounds
(God treatment) is heavy

I don't really think he gets Starborne keyword. He comes from the World That Was, so he is "tangible" as any Coalesced, unless for any unknown reason, the millenia he spent on the void made him Starborne, but at the same time, it doesnt make much sense he can have two different keywords in different games. For example, Katakross is always Mortis Praetorian, even if you don't have an Alliance.

 

[Canas]

Not sure If shown before, but:
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It looks like a giant shoe or boot to me...

Grrr, Imrahil

much clearer picture