AoS Why would you choose core units over special?

[Pinktaco]

Templeguards > saurus warriors
Chosen > Warrior of Chaos
Grave/tomb guards > skellies
Any former special models > any former core models. For the most part. Previously the balance was usually that they were more expensive and you HAD to spend 25% on core, now there's no such requirement. Why would I ever want a unit of SW vs guards? I can't remember their exact rules, but I believe Saurus Warriors only benefit from being in a unit of 20 and 30 models. Guards have an additional melee attack and better To Hit roll and Rend If I'm not mistalening. SW get buffs from being in s bigger unit.. Yay?

Did I miss something?

 

[Deusvult]

The Saurus host at the end of the list, would be a reason. I have not played yet so I am not exactly sure how much of a benefit the additional rules would be, but it requires a minimum of 30 saurus.

 

[Ixt]

^ They beat me to it. I was just finishing my post - bleh!

I see where you're coming from, otherwise. The roles still appear slightly different in the context of battalion & summon.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Did I miss something?

Yes...only the most important question... Why would you choose AoS over 8th edition Warhammer proper?

 

[Pinktaco]

The Saurus host at the end of the list, would be a reason. I have not played yet so I am not exactly sure how much of a benefit the additional rules would be, but it requires a minimum of 30 saurus.

I might be wrong, but isn't one of the benefit that all saurus including templeguards gain an extra attacks. The host much a benefit for SW as for the guards as far as I know. I could be wrong though.

 

[Pinktaco]

I just checked again and saurus warriors have:
4+ to hit, 3+ to wound and 5+ save. At 20 models they gain +1 To Hit and 30 they gain +1 attack.

Guards have:
3+ to hit, 3+ to wound, 4+ save, Rend and an additional attack.
They can gain more bravery as a special rule.

The host benefit all units in the host so both gains an additional attack and auto pass battle shock I think.

So if you go with 30 saurus warriors the difference is the save, Rend and bravery special rule guards have.

That's super dumb.

 

[Deusvult]

The host benefit all units in the host so both gains an additional attack and auto pass battle shock I think.

Thats what I meant, sorry. Unless the special rules gained as part of the host warrant 3 units of SW, then I am not sure why you would not take TG. Well, lack of models maybe.

 

[Pinktaco]

Uh I'm sorry I derped a bit. Yes the host would be a logical solution although I'd still rather have more vanilla templeguards than host saurus warriors tbh.

With a host you'll still want 20 models to gain the +1 To Hit benefit. The main issue is to actually have that amount of models.

 

[Ixt]

They're worth it in the battalion, the Saurus Host. I wouldn't take them as an individual warscroll, though.

This assumes that you and your opponent agreed to bring x battalions, x warscrolls, x wounds per unit max, x wounds per army max. They're great in that regard.

 

[Deusvult]

Uh I'm sorry I derped a bit. Yes the host would be a logical solution although I'd still rather have more vanilla templeguards than host saurus warriors tbh.

With a host you'll still want 20 models to gain the +1 To Hit benefit. The main issue is to actually have that amount of models.

No worries. And not blowing hot air and puffing up, but I have 60 or so saurus.

 

[Rettile]

on the other hand, vanilla skinks have their uses. Chamos are better, but still...

 

[Ixt]

The Saurus Host is brutal.. looking at these books, not much can stand up to it head-to-head.

I think most melee would go a little something like this.

Talk about Powerful Jaws!

 

[Deusvult]

Also, add in a Bsb, maybe summon some in, and all of a sudden you have some severe damage potential.

 

[Qupakoco]

Plus the Saurus Host gives you immunity to Battleshock. That's pretty serious. Makes your army Unbreakable, to put it in 8ed terms.

 

[Ixt]

It's good to see that the tabletop version finally matches the fearsome warriors of our fluff.