7th Ed. Tyrion

[lupercal]

anybody got a good way to beat this guy besides out in the parking lot before he comes in cause when he is in a unit he is damn nigh impossible to stop

 

[Dalkarius]

Is it just Tyrion or an entire unit with Tyrion in it?

 

[lupercal]

whole unit of dragon princes with a banner that lets them charge across diffucult ground 7 strong plus him

 

[strewart]

Tyrion is insane. You won't be able to stop him in combat, about the only way would be to flank charge and try to get the unit to flee. They are too fast to just march block and ignore.

 

[Revered_Guardian]

ENGINE!!!!!! (spam the attack one),

you could also try and blast the unit to pieces with a spell like the comet, because he wont get to take his magic resistance to dispell that.

 

[Barotok]

anybody got a good way to beat this guy

Call me on this if I'm out of line, but I don't see magic as a "good" method to destroy this unit or deal with Tyrion, primarily because you're leaving a lot of your success on die rolls that may or may not come through for you.

I've never had the pleasure of dealing with this particular HE character but magic doesn't sound like the best way. What alternatives do we have in place of the chaotic winds of magic?

 

[Revered_Guardian]

well.....you could place a unit of terradons behind them, effectively following and marchblocking them for the rest of the game.

you won't win in cc....although you could try flanking with a stegadon or 2....

no shooting will most likely dent the unit.....

wait, maybe a well placed salamander?

 

[Jester]

No salamanders. that entire unit including tyrion is immune to flaming attacks. Best way to stop him is to flank the unit and keep him out of base contact till you break them.

 

[strewart]

anybody got a good way to beat this guy

Call me on this if I'm out of line, but I don't see magic as a "good" method to destroy this unit or deal with Tyrion, primarily because you're leaving a lot of your success on die rolls that may or may not come through for you.

I've never had the pleasure of dealing with this particular HE character but magic doesn't sound like the best way. What alternatives do we have in place of the chaotic winds of magic?

I don't remember Tyrion's stats completely off the top of my head... But he has a ward save, a 0+ armour save, multiple s7 attacks, ASF with initiative 10 and WS 9. Basically, you don't want to be fighting this guy in combat. Plus the unit of dragon princes he is with get 2 attacks each as well as their horses. And LM distinctly lack the heavy shooting power required; poison will just bounce of the armour and you couldn't rely on a steg bolt thrower to kill 1 dragon prince in a game, let alone 6 and a character.

As I said, march blocking will only work to a small degree since they have M8, as soon as they are within 16" of something they can charge anyway. And if Tyrion decides the unit is holding him back, well he has a 20" charge range.

Sure magic isn't going to be that great, but really whittling them down a bit with magic then flank charging is about the best option.

 

[lupercal]

you know he does go pretty magic light when he takes tyrion but i was thinking mabye get some temple guard to slow him down and try to hit them in the flank with a carnosaur but that is a lot of hoping mabye i should just blast away i usually try to blast his swordmasters and phoenix guard units but i suppose that his prices are the most expensive unit on the board with him in it but they are so resiliant to well everything and they have great mobility i have heard about the star dragon's being bad but i think he is worse for similar points but i think i will just try to focus on him and worry about the rest after i have taken care of him (even though i hate doing that)

 

[Dalkarius]

Tyrion is a nasty bastard, yes. But by no means is he unstoppable. Funny enough, when it comes to fighting he's actually not that powerful because he only has I believe 3 attacks and his horse gets one stronger attack. The secret to Tyrion is Fear. He does not cause it nor is he immune to it. Killing him is nigh impossible, he has a 4+ Ward, 1+ Armor, and a 4+ regen that can't be removed since he's immune to fire and killing blow! So, A full Temple Guard block with a Terror causing Slann wielding the War Banner and being the BSB and making sure he fights that unit? Yeah, you'll kick his ass. Just make sure you don't let him anywhere NEAR your flanks! Also, don't talk bad about Stegadon shooting, I fought Tyrion with 2 bolt Stegadons and mowed his DP's down, especially with spells like Second Sign and Portent of the Far backing me up. Magic and Psychology are the ways to crush Tyrion. Psychology is the High Elves ultimate weakness, don't forget that.

 

[strewart]

Wait... How are HE vulnerable to psychology? They have about the highest leadership in the game, nothing in the list (not even eagles) has leadership below 8, Tyrion has 10... Beaten and outnumbered by fear/terror may well be the way to do it though, hit them in the flank with some cold one riders and you should win easily.

Now that I am home and had a chance to look him up, I notice he has regeneration as well as the armour and ward which makes him even harder to kill, it is basically 2 ward saves since he is indeed immune to fire. And unfortunately magic resistance 2, so maybe magic isn't the best idea... Unless you can throw out some very high level spells.

@Dalkarius, he has 4 attacks not 3 and his magic sword makes them s7. The horse has 2 attacks. His armour gives 1+, but remember he is mounted and Malhandir isn't a monstrous mount now so indeed gives Tyrion a 0+ armour save overall. I'm not sure I'd want my TG unit near him and his dragon princes... But maybe a steg to the flank or cold ones to the flank would have a chance.

 

[lupercal]

you know outnumber with fear sounds like a winner to me hell a skink chief to the front with the warspear would stand a chance if he could charge since he would likely kill off the ones attacking him and with a unit str of 10 he would out number good tactics and good thinking guys thanks

 

[strewart]

Be careful charging at the front, because no matter what you are likely to be in contact with Tyrion so his 4 s7 attacks will still hit you and either massacre skinks or do a chunk of damage to the steg. Still, unless you roll badly with the impact hits it might just be enough to send him packing. I suggest the lore of beasts spell to propel the steg into combat since Tyrion's unit has greater movement and would prefer to charge you.

 

[Lycanthrope]

No salamanders. that entire unit including tyrion is immune to flaming attacks. Best way to stop him is to flank the unit and keep him out of base contact till you break them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that the ranged attack of the salamanders is described as flaming.

\o/

 

[strewart]

You are indeed wrong, if you look at page 56 of the LM army book the spout flames stat line has a note column on the right that says flaming attack. In 6th edition the salamander didn't explicitely say it was a flaming attack, but GW FAQed it as such anyway because it was designed to be.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Ah. Well, carry on trying to figure out how to kill that monster then!

 

[Sashu]

This is actually a pretty common trick. Deck out a lord on a Carrny. Have him charge Tyrions unit making contact with the unit champion, but NOT Tyrion. Issue a challenge. The champion, having on ranks to hide behind must accept. Kill the champion and get 6 combat res. Watch him run.

A few other things would be to charge his unit with a skink chief with the stegadon war spear. The rest of the unit will die and sure the attacks back will hurt, but they arn't the end of the world.

In a nutshell, don't kill Tyrion. Kill his unit. Accept the fact that Tyrion will do some damage, but you have to make sure you do MORE damage. Once that is done break him and run him down.

 

[strewart]

A model does not need to be in contact to accept a challenge, it only needs to be in the fighting rank. So your idea will not work, Tyrion could accept the challenge even if he isn't in base contact. You could charge in and not issue a challenge, but then you run the risk of him throwing out a challenge instead, and with ASF he probably will.

Chief might work... Problem there is he might throw out a challenge at you, or in any case could probably get close to killing the steg in one round. Remember the whole unit has ASF, so while impact hits will go first you can't really rely on them to kill 5-6 2+AS models.

 

[Barotok]

Just finished commenting in a tactics thread where Lore of Death's - Doom and Darkness spell was cast on a unit with a follow up shot from a Salamander. Would this be a viable tactic for such a unit? They're going to flee 3D6 so if they're facing the wrong way and happen to roll poorly on their leadership test, you'll be waving to Tyrion as he rides into the sunset.