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AoS TTS Seraphon Turny stats

Erta Wanderer
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ok thanks to @Putzfrau i now have data to work with. so i am going to put a few tournaments together and see how well seraphon are doing.
i used several tournaments with 12 or more players and that made the list public i will be adding to it as time goes on. the top 5/10 catagory changes bassed on turny size 20 or less top 5 more than 20 top 10
turnaments used so far
BUTCHER'S BUFFET(ongoing)
HAMMERTIME 5
RÖMISCHE KEILEREI, DIE FÜNFTE (1250 point turnament i wanted to know if it swung the odds)
HAMMERTIME III
AGE OF SIGMAR TOMOVY HRY 2000 POINTS #2
NOCNA WIELKA JATKA U SMOKA

https://tabletop.to/butchers-buffet
https://tabletop.to/hammertime-5
https://tabletop.to/romische-keilerei-die-funfte
https://tabletop.to/hammertime-iii
https://tabletop.to/age-of-sigmar-tomovy-hry-2000-points-2
https://tabletop.to/nocna-wielka-jatka-u-smoka-2000pkt-aos2

now these stats are not perfect we still have very low numbers but we should be able to see some trends. now on to the stats

number of tournaments 6
number of participants 173
number of lizard players 15
seraphon in the top 5/10 4
seraphon in the bottom half 6
1st place 1
2nd place 1
3rd place 1

game out come
games totta 57
wins 33 losses 24
win rate 57.89%(not bad)

against KO
wins 0 losses 2
against Fyre slayers
wins 0 losses 1
against Deep Kin
wins 2 losses 1
against Slaves to Darkness
wins 2 losses 0
against ork warclans
wins 3 losses 0
against Lumaneth Realm Loards
wins 5 losses 4 (a tough fight but we seem to be holding our own)
against Bone Reapers
wins 0 losses 2
against storm cast
wins 1 losses 1
against disciples of tzeench
wins 5 losses 1 (fairly safe to say we soft counter them)
against beasts of chaos
wins 0 losses 1...
against Skaven
wins 2 losses 1
against gloom spite gitz
wins 2 losses 2
against Flesh eater courts
wins 0 losses 2
against ogre maw tribes
wins 2 losses 2
against gargents
wins 1 losses 2
against Cities of Sigmar
wins 1 losses 1
against Slanesh
wins 1 losses 1
against korhn
wins 3 losses 0
against Night haunt
wins 1 losses 0
against Legions of Nagash
wins 0 losses 1
against Nurgle
wins 1 losses 0

game win to loss rate
5-0: 1
4-1: 1
3-2: 3
2-3: 1
1-4: 0
0-5: 0
4-0: 0
3-1: 1
2-2: 1
1-3: 1
0-4: 0
3-0: 1
2-1: 0
1-2: 4
0-3: 0

faction use

Fangs of Sotek
over all 3 top 10/5 1 bottom half 1
Thunder lizards
over all 6 top 10/5 1 bottom half 4
Dracothions tail
over all 2 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
Koatles Claw
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2

battalion use

Fire lance temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
fire lance star host
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
thunder quake temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
Sun claw temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0

frequency of units in lists (the number of lists with that unit not the number of units of that type over all)

Kroak
over all 9 top 10/5 3 bottom half 2
astrolith
over all 9 top 10/5 4 bottom half 2
Skink Star priest
over all 8 top 10/5 2 bottom half 3
Skink priest
over all 8 top 10/5 2 bottom half 3
slann starmaster
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 1
skink chief
over all 3 top 10/5 0 bottom half 2
skink starseer
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2
old blood on carnosaur
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
scarvet on carnosaur
over all 5 top 10/5 2 bottom half 2
sunblood
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
trogladon
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
EotG
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
Big skink blobs
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 1
chameleon skinks
over all 2 top 10/5 1 bottom half 1
terradon chief
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
terradons
over all 2 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
bastiladons
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2
stegadons (skyblots i haven't found any lists with flame throwers)
over all 3 top 10/5 0 bottom half 2
salamanders
over all 7 top 10/5 2 bottom half 3
saurus warriors
over all 2 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
saurus knights
over all 4 top 10/5 2 bottom half 2
saurus guard
over all 7 top 10/5 3 bottom half 1
Dread saurus
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
geminids of ulge
over all 5 top 10/5 2 bottom half 2
bale wind vortex
over all 7 top 10/5 2 bottom half 2
purple sun
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
soul scream bridge
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
 
@Erta Wanderer thank you for putting this together, it's great to see a start to some stats!
Would it be doable to add stats for the Seraphon vs. Seraphon matches? (e.g., coalesced vs. starborne).
(Also really funny seeing some of the 1-of choices and being like oops that was mine. P.S. didn't get any 6s from Purple Sun in the only match I cast it)
 
ThinkSkink said:
@Erta Wanderer thank you for putting this together, it's great to see a start to some stats!
Would it be doable to add stats for the Seraphon vs. Seraphon matches? (e.g., coalesced vs. starborne).
(Also really funny seeing some of the 1-of choices and being like oops that was mine. P.S. didn't get any 6s from Purple Sun in the only match I cast it)
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That is a plan but at the moment the only tournament that has had a mirror match that I have information on would be butchers buffet and that round is still ongoing. If you have recording is the matches I would love to go over them at the moment I'm just working off to the TTT website
 
turnaments used so far
BUTCHER'S BUFFET
HAMMERTIME 5
RÖMISCHE KEILEREI, DIE FÜNFTE(1250 point turnament i wanted to know if it swung the odds)
HAMMERTIME III
AGE OF SIGMAR TOMOVY HRY 2000 POINTS #2
NOCNA WIELKA JATKA U SMOKA
HAMMERTIME 6



https://tabletop.to/butchers-buffet
https://tabletop.to/hammertime-5
https://tabletop.to/romische-keilerei-die-funfte
https://tabletop.to/hammertime-iii
https://tabletop.to/age-of-sigmar-tomovy-hry-2000-points-2
https://tabletop.to/nocna-wielka-jatka-u-smoka-2000pkt-aos2
https://tabletop.to/hammertime-6

now these stats are not perfect we still have very low numbers but we should be able to see some trends. now on to the stats

number of tournaments 7
number of participants 225
number of lizard players 21
seraphon in the top 5/10 7
seraphon in the bottom half 9
1st place 1
2nd place 1
3rd place 1

game out come
games total 73
wins 45 losses 35
win rate with mirror matches 56.25%
with out mirror matches 56.58%
mirror matches 2

against KO
wins 0 losses 2
against Fyre slayers
wins 0 losses 1
against Deep Kin
wins 4 losses 2
against Slaves to Darkness
wins 2 losses 0
against ork warclans
wins 3 losses 0
against Lumaneth Realm Loards
wins 8 losses 6
against Bone Reapers
wins 0 losses 3
against storm cast
wins 1 losses 2
against disciples of tzeench
wins 6 losses 4 (this has changed but to be fair 3 of those losses where to one guy who placed 2nd in the turney)
against beasts of chaos
wins 0 losses 1...
against Skaven
wins 2 losses 1
against gloom spite gitz
wins 3 losses 2
against Flesh eater courts
wins 0 losses 2
against ogre maw tribes
wins 2 losses 3
against gargents
wins 2 losses 2
against Cities of Sigmar
wins 1 losses 1
against Slanesh
wins 1 losses 1
against korhn
wins 3 losses 0
against Night haunt
wins 1 losses 0
against Legions of Nagash
wins 0 losses 1
against Nurgle
wins 2 losses 0
daughters of khain
wins 1 losses 0

game win to loss rate
5-1: 2
3-3: 2
3-2: 1
2-3: 1
3-1: 1
2-2: 1
1-3: 1
3-0: 1
2-1: 4
1-2: 6

faction use

Fangs of Sotek
over all 6 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2
Thunder lizards
over all 8 top 10/5 1 bottom half 5
Dracothions tail
over all 3 top 10/5 3 bottom half 0
Koatles Claw
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2

battalion use
shadow strike temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
Fire lance temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
fire lance star host
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
thunder quake temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
Sun claw temple host
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0

frequency of units in lists (the number of lists with that unit not the number of units of that type over all)

Kroak
over all 13 top 10/5 5 bottom half 3
astrolith
over all 12 top 10/5 5 bottom half 3
Skink Star priest
over all 13 top 10/5 3 bottom half 5
Skink priest
over all 13 top 10/5 3 bottom half 5
slann starmaster
over all 7 top 10/5 3 bottom half 2
skink chief
over all 6 top 10/5 0 bottom half 2
skink starseer
over all 5 top 10/5 1 bottom half 2
old blood on carnosaur
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
scarvet on carnosaur
over all 6 top 10/5 2 bottom half 3
sunblood
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
trogladon
over all 2 top 10/5 2 bottom half 0
EotG
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
Big skink blobs
over all 9 top 10/5 2 bottom half 3
chameleon skinks
over all 4 top 10/5 1 bottom half 1
terradon chief
over all 1 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
ripper dactles
over all 1 top 5/10 0 bottom half 0
terradons
over all 2 top 10/5 2 bottom half 0
bastiladons
over all 6 top 10/5 1 bottom half 3
stegadons (skyblots i haven't found any lists with flame throwers)
over all 3 top 10/5 0 bottom half 2
salamanders
over all 9 top 10/5 4 bottom half 3
saurus warriors
over all 2 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
saurus knights
over all 4 top 10/5 2 bottom half 2
saurus guard
over all 10 top 10/5 5 bottom half 2
Dread saurus
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 1
geminids of ulge
over all 8 top 10/5 4 bottom half 2
bale wind vortex
over all 9 top 10/5 4 bottom half 2
purple sun
over all 2 top 10/5 1 bottom half 0
soul scream bridge
over all 1 top 10/5 0 bottom half 0
 
Mirror match
total games 2

Fangs of Sotek
wins 2
Thunder lizards
loss 1
Koatles Claw
loss 1

beyond that i can only speculate as i didn't see the matches at hand
both winning lists seems to be skink spam sotek lists supported by kroak while the losers are specialist lists that lack bodies. coalesed doesn't seem to like mirror matches as star born ignore most of what they can bring to the table and our general fragility falls quickly to mass skinks. mirror matches also counter one of our best assets 2 kroaks facing off makes our hero targeting damage sporadic.
 
I was the one using the thunder lizard list, coalesced just cannot really cope with the mortal wounds from skink based lists, the bastiladons will quickly crack and a unit of skinks should take 1 down without trouble in a turn. otherwise saurus things will get shot and even if they get a charge then they can get hit by parting shot anyway
 
The 0/3 vs OBR is interesting, that used to be a favorable matchup for us. It's one of my most played, I have a friend that plays OBR, and most of our games are very close. I'm thinking it's because now they've shifted towards Katakros lists and he does a few things that uniquely counter what we're trying to do. Stealing CP, -1 to hit on sallies or skinks, and a big one is healing 3 wounds to 3 different units each turn, which is huge because Kroak does chip mortals spread across several targets which gets countered by this type of healing specifically. He's also pretty hard to bring down with proper screening, there have been a few games I either didn't put enough into him to finish him off, or dedicated too much without killing him and he healed back over a double turn. It's hard to judge, the last 2 games I just ignored him and killed off mortek. Also, the crawlers special ammo is pretty good at sniping Kroak straight up due to his low wound count for his price, which is normally shored up via guard, which doesn't help in this niche scenario.

Anyone have any further thoughts on this matchup?
 
Tyranitar said:
The 0/3 vs OBR is interesting, that used to be a favorable matchup for us. It's one of my most played, I have a friend that plays OBR, and most of our games are very close. I'm thinking it's because now they've shifted towards Katakros lists and he does a few things that uniquely counter what we're trying to do. Stealing CP, -1 to hit on sallies or skinks, and a big one is healing 3 wounds to 3 different units each turn, which is huge because Kroak does chip mortals spread across several targets which gets countered by this type of healing specifically. He's also pretty hard to bring down with proper screening, there have been a few games I either didn't put enough into him to finish him off, or dedicated too much without killing him and he healed back over a double turn. It's hard to judge, the last 2 games I just ignored him and killed off mortek. Also, the crawlers special ammo is pretty good at sniping Kroak straight up due to his low wound count for his price, which is normally shored up via guard, which doesn't help in this niche scenario.

Anyone have any further thoughts on this matchup?
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the best way to beat OBR has always been to out body them and win a objective game 2 of the fights hear where thunder lizard so that is a good chunk of why we are doing poorly.
 
Tyranitar said:
The 0/3 vs OBR is interesting, that used to be a favorable matchup for us. It's one of my most played, I have a friend that plays OBR, and most of our games are very close. I'm thinking it's because now they've shifted towards Katakros lists and he does a few things that uniquely counter what we're trying to do. Stealing CP, -1 to hit on sallies or skinks, and a big one is healing 3 wounds to 3 different units each turn, which is huge because Kroak does chip mortals spread across several targets which gets countered by this type of healing specifically. He's also pretty hard to bring down with proper screening, there have been a few games I either didn't put enough into him to finish him off, or dedicated too much without killing him and he healed back over a double turn. It's hard to judge, the last 2 games I just ignored him and killed off mortek. Also, the crawlers special ammo is pretty good at sniping Kroak straight up due to his low wound count for his price, which is normally shored up via guard, which doesn't help in this niche scenario.

Anyone have any further thoughts on this matchup?
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people stopped taking salamanders. I still take double salamanders DT and the matchup is pretty easy.

to elaborate further, fangs of sotek is easily picked apart by catapults. They focus the heroes and your 40 man skink blobs become useless. Unbuffed skinks are terrible. Salamanders are always good and don't need support so you take away the effectiveness of some of the catapults. The deep strike allows you to hide the units you want to protect from them, and with guard they cannot one shot your slanns, allowing you to deep strike your salamanders and melt stuff before taking wounds.
 
Erta Wanderer said:
beyond that i can only speculate as i didn't see the matches at hand
both winning lists seems to be skink spam sotek lists supported by kroak while the losers are specialist lists that lack bodies. coalesed doesn't seem to like mirror matches as star born ignore most of what they can bring to the table and our general fragility falls quickly to mass skinks. mirror matches also counter one of our best assets 2 kroaks facing off makes our hero targeting damage sporadic.
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That's pretty much how the FoS vs Koatles Claw went. The parting shot and threat of teleport made it possible to tear apart the Koatles threats. The Kroak vs. Kroak was hilarious (both supported by an astrolith bearer), the FoS one barely got anything off and the KT one literally got nearly everything off and nearly single handedly decimated the skink blobs.
 
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