TOW Thoughts on this 2k double EOTG?

[Milo]

I've been toying with the thought of a double EOG list and this is the list i'm thinking of running at a local tournament - not a super serious one but still want to be at least a bit competitive
I've payed the TG tax as im not super confident in my ability to keep the Slann alive (but getting better every game)
I know the carno won't stand up to the dragons/wyverns in the meta but maybe he'll hold it up long enough for the rest of the army to do some work

Cheers!

Lizardmen - 2000 pts - [1997pts]

# Lizardmen - Main Force [1997pts]

## Characters [997pts]
Saurus Scar-Veteran [317pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, Talisman Of Protection, Carnosaur (Heavy Armour, Slashing talons)
Skink Priest [315pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Wizard Level 1, Elementalism
• 1x Ancient Stegadon [255pts]: 5x Skink Crew (Hand Weapon, Javelin), Great horns, Engine of the Gods
Slann Mage-Priests [365pts]:
• 1x Slann Mage-Priest [365pts]: Hand Weapon, General, Becalming Cogitation, Wizard Level 4, High Magic, Lore Familiar

## Core [565pts]
Saurus Warriors [194pts]: Thrusting Spear
• 12x Saurus Warrior [14pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield
• 1x Standard Bearer [7pts]
• 1x Musician [7pts]
1x Skink Skirmishers [70pts]: Scouts
• 12x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
1x Skink Skirmishers [70pts]: Scouts
• 12x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
Skink Skirmishers [50pts]:
• 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields
Temple Guard [181pts]:
• 10x Temple Guard [16pts]: Halberd, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield
• 1x Revered Guardian [7pts]
• 1x Standard Bearer [7pts]
• 1x Musician [7pts]

## Special [180pts]
Bastiladon [180pts]: Thunderous bludgeon, Solar Engine, 4x Skink Crew (Hand Weapon, Javelin)

## Rare [255pts]
Ancient Stegadon [255pts]: 5x Skink Crew (Hand Weapon, Javelin), Great horns, Engine of the Gods

 

[Skink Life]

Interesting!
I had been thinking of trying one of these but am yet to finish assembling a 2nd Steg.

It doesn't look like the +1 to cast effects bound spells so in this list it's really just helping the Slann out as your skink is only LVL 1. What spell are you hoping to get off through dipells with the slann that will make it worth the points investment?

That's been the clincher for me not trying this yet. It feels like magic doesn't quite have the impact to justify the Slann's cost (including having to pay for Temple guard or ethereal)

I'm assuming you're planning on peppering the enemy with magic missiles as they trudge across the table?

 

[Milo]

Hey mate, ahh I didn’t realise it wouldn’t help the bound spells was hoping just that extra pip of +1 could help the basti aswell

I agree it’s hard to make the Slann work with the points he is - I’ve just found it’s so easy for other armies to get lvl 4 wizards and having him be able to get the dispels off from an extra 3” could be pivotal aswell

And yep you’re right, have the skinks and magic be pests and hopefully reduce their numbers but if I dropped the Slann and or an engine and even just chucked a chief on a terrodon and put him in a unit of them they could drops some rocks or javelin the lone characters that would leave me more points to put elsewhere, might even have enough to upgrade the scarvet to a Oldblood but I haven’t run the numbers yet - lots to think about

 

[UlyZed]

I've run the double-Engine list (to a win). My thoughts:

• you've navigated the character limit well - Carnosaur is still a must-have IMO. I find BSB there tough as Blood Frenzy prevents maneuverability in late game (no restraint and reform) but the +1 res might also be good if it whiffs. The seven wound character Stegadon provides some interesting options - unfortunately High Magic doesn't take a lot of advantage.
• I'm down to min. Saurus 140 block. Temple Guard have been ok, but my 500 at tournament level is now min Saurus (140), 6 Swarms! (240), 2x 10 Skinks with Scout. I think if you're taking Lore Familiar and High Magic you have to bank on Walk Between Worlds. You have the +1 most likely and can usually stay out of dispel range to get the first few off. I don't think we can justify the cost of Temple Guard and the core lacks the punch to pay overs the minimum.
• I think the Bastiladon might be overkill - so slow so you're choosing between marching and firing the Beam. Beam is great ... when it goes off ...but is risky and you've got other options with the double short range Fireballs . Skink shooting is also very reliably filling that gap, even against high T targets. I'd consider Kroxigor with all the screening out there.

Otherwise double Engine is fun, but mainly you come away appreciating the Ancient Stegs more than ever . They are the real heroes of a list like this!

 

[Milo]

I've run the double-Engine list (to a win). My thoughts:

• you've navigated the character limit well - Carnosaur is still a must-have IMO. I find BSB there tough as Blood Frenzy prevents maneuverability in late game (no restraint and reform) but the +1 res might also be good if it whiffs. The seven wound character Stegadon provides some interesting options - unfortunately High Magic doesn't take a lot of advantage.
• I'm down to min. Saurus 140 block. Temple Guard have been ok, but my 500 at tournament level is now min Saurus (140), 6 Swarms! (240), 2x 10 Skinks with Scout. I think if you're taking Lore Familiar and High Magic you have to bank on Walk Between Worlds. You have the +1 most likely and can usually stay out of dispel range to get the first few off. I don't think we can justify the cost of Temple Guard and the core lacks the punch to pay overs the minimum.
• I think the Bastiladon might be overkill - so slow so you're choosing between marching and firing the Beam. Beam is great ... when it goes off ...but is risky and you've got other options with the double short range Fireballs . Skink shooting is also very reliably filling that gap, even against high T targets. I'd consider Kroxigor with all the screening out there.

Otherwise double Engine is fun, but mainly you come away appreciating the Ancient Stegs more than ever . They are the real heroes of a list like this![/QUOTE

hey mate!


Congrats on the win!!
Very true with the BSB - I had forgotten that frenzy does that (thank you hahah)
How are you liking the swarms? I’ve been toying with lists and dropping the TG and adding more Warriors or Swarms has been the replacement and just fish for those 6’s hahah
Have you thought about running a basti to heal the swarms you’ve got (not a crazy heal but somethings better than nothing) and then utilising some extra shots from the crew on the back before getting into combat (if he gets there) and just using him as an anchor?

The few games I’ve played the skinks did work and I really like running 3 group,

I agree they would be the hero’s of the list and that what makes it interesting!