AoS The new Battletome: A Discussion

[Oh_Man]

Did Dread Saurians get a new warscroll?

 

[LordBaconBane]

Did Dread Saurians get a new warscroll?

Because it's a forge world exclusive, it wouldn't be included in this book.

 

[Nart]

They really did mess up stegadon and EotG. TL CT buffs only mounts, but mount of stegadon is the crew, so it literally gives +1 to their javelins and bow, but the trait describes a mighty warbeast.

Same with helm. If you give it to eotg, it will affect it, because crew is the mount, but it describes a standard helm, made of stegadon horns. I'm going RAI unitl the FAQ.

 

[Skained]

They really did mess up stegadon and EotG. TL CT buffs only mounts, but mount of stegadon is the crew, so it literally gives +1 to their javelins and bow, but the trait describes a mighty warbeast.

Same with helm. If you give it to eotg, it will affect it, because crew is the mount, but it describes a standard helm, made of stegadon horns. I'm going RAI unitl the FAQ.

wait what?, all stegadon profile have +1 attack, all his attack is from mount not only the crew. The crew are treated in the same manner, that's why the mount as a stegadon and all missile attacks

 

[Wazz]

I did notice with the ripper rider hero, it doesn't say a unit can only benefit from this ability once. So if you wanted to tou could dump cps into a unit if you wanted.

 

[Nart]

I did notice with the ripper rider hero, it doesn't say a unit can only benefit from this ability once. So if you wanted to tou could dump cps into a unit if you wanted.

Yes, but ripper attacks are so weak, and we need lots of CP. I don't think it is worth it to waste on rippers. We could do similar thing with knights and scar-veteran and it wasn't that popular. I don't want to give up on them, but it looks like they are severely outclassed by terradons.

 

[Nart]

Another RAW stupidity. Artefacts of Power and Command Traits can apply only to skink chief attacks. CT of Thunderlizard applies to the mount. But Warscroll should override this rule, which makes the CT unusable.

But if allegience override warscroll, then any artefact or ct should be appliable to stegadon itself, and warscroll rule have no effect.

Gosh, I wish GW spared another page for separate profile for skink chief on stegdon, instead of copy-pasting all endless spells.

 

[Boshea]

I think you're overthinking it. The CT says add +1 Attack to the general's mount. So the effect for the Skink Chief is his mount gets +1 Attack. The wording is in there so that you't give him a Sword of Judgement and have it apply to all of melee attacks on the profile. Its the same wording as any other book so I'm not sure why you think this one makes an impossible rule.

 

[sigmonstar]

Another RAW stupidity. Artefacts of Power and Command Traits can apply only to skink chief attacks. CT of Thunderlizard applies to the mount. But Warscroll should override this rule, which makes the CT unusable.

But if allegience override warscroll, then any artefact or ct should be appliable to stegadon itself, and warscroll rule have no effect.

Gosh, I wish GW spared another page for separate profile for skink chief on stegdon, instead of copy-pasting all endless spells.

The endless spell warscrolls arent copy-pasted. some of them do have specifically different rules for being bound.

 

[Scurvydog]

While RAW can be a bit odd at times, I don't think anyone sane will raise an eyebrow regarding who is the mount between the skink chief and stegadon. I want to see someone convert a poor skink chief trying to carry a Stegadon around.

I think the new goodness in the book comes from the unlikely Kroxigors though for 140 pts for 3! They hit harder for their points than Ironguts, have them run next to anything with a skink keyword and they get +1 to hit. With just the +1 to hit they hit as hard as Necropolis stalkers in precision stance which eeryone are losing their minds over for 200 points, Kroxigors can do that for 140 now.

Even without +1 to hit they do as much damage as a Carnosaur (coalesced) and more than a Stegadon in combat for nearly half the point cost. They got 8" move so they are basically the heavy cavalry of the army and in a thunderquake they can really bring the pain with run/charge or +1 attack to make their damage output insane. Their mauls also got 2" reach, so larger units will be good, although I might prefer 6 to not waste too many bites which are still 1". Combine this with scaly skin and you got some really tough super hard hitting and fast hammer units.

 

[Nart]

The endless spell warscrolls arent copy-pasted. some of them do have specifically different rules for being bound.

Which ones? I noticed only cogs and they are actually WORSE then undound version.

I don't think anyone sane will raise an eyebrow regarding who is the mount between the skink chief and stegadon.

You really underestimate some tournament players.

I want to see someone convert a poor skink chief trying to carry a Stegadon around.

That would be awesome. Skink and the crew carry stegadon on their backs, while there's also a slann on top of it. I am a RAW guy myself, but this time I'm going 100% RAI.

 

[Oh_Man]

Because it's a forge world exclusive, it wouldn't be included in this book.

So it can't be coalesced or starborne?

 

[Nart]

So it can't be coalesced or starborne?

Both. But better in coalesced, probably.

EDIT: Re-read the question. Nothing prevents it to gain the coalesced or starborn keyword, since it is tied on SERAPHON keyword. Funny enough, it still havs CELESTIAL DAEMON keyword and 10 bravery even in Coalesced army.

 

[Dire Distortion]

Sorry if this has been gone over. With the bastiladon getting a 1+ save does this mean you don’t roll a dice. I was always under the impression that a natural 1 will always fail. This would mean in reality the bastiladon has an effective 2+ save

 

[Nart]

Yes, 1's always fail. The 1+ basically means, that all weapons, targeting bastiladon, will have their rend reduced by 1.

Btw, there's a spell in Shyish that makes target immune to save modifiers. Bastiladons will like it. A lot. But your opponent won't.

 

[Dire Distortion]

I must admit I’m just so hyped to have spells to cast again from our own book. They really will be a great magical force once again.

 

[Acehilator]

Yes, 1's always fail. The 1+ basically means, that all weapons, targeting bastiladon, will have their rend reduced by 1.

Btw, there's a spell in Shyish that makes target immune to save modifiers. Bastiladons will like it. A lot. But your opponent won't.

It means that you ignore rend -1. -2 puts you on a 3+ save and so forth.

 

[Xuil]

So where do we stand on entering a Garrison while on a balewind vortex? As the caster and model are considered to be one unit, are they still 'on the battlefield' and 'assumed to be inside the garrisoned structure', or...?

 

[Nart]

It means that you ignore rend -1. -2 puts you on a 3+ save and so forth.

But this is literally = reduce rend by 1, while having 2+ save.

 

[ILKAIN]

So where do we stand on entering a Garrison while on a balewind vortex? As the caster and model are considered to be one unit, are they still 'on the battlefield' and 'assumed to be inside the garrisoned structure', or...?

yes that's exactly how it works.