AoS Sunclaw and Saurus knights

[Lizerd]

Like the previous list this one has a heavy emphasis on mortal wounds, however as firelance is not necessary to boost saurus knights and their combat functions (and the lost +3 to run and charge can be made up with the sacred asterism) I decided to drop the battalion and tack in a sunclaw. The extra rend goes to the Oldblood on Carnosaur





Allegiance: Seraphon

- Constellation: Koatl's Claw


Leaders

Tezka (250) Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur

- Artefact: Blade of Realities


Kor-Ax (210) Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur

- War Spear

- Artefact: Eviscerating Blade


Lord Kroak (320)

- Spell: Stellar Tempest


Kro-Qua (120) Skink Starpriest

- Spell: Hand of Glory


Xa-Gar (120) Skink Starpriest

- Spell: Celestial Harmony


Rostal-Xhotl (130) Saurus Sunblood

- General

- Command Trait: Dominant Predator


Battleline

10 x Saurus Knights (200)

- Lances

10 x Saurus Knights (200)

- Lances

10 x Saurus Warriors (90)

- Clubs

10 x Saurus Warriors (90)

- Clubs

10 x Saurus Warriors (90)

- Clubs


Battalions

Sunclaw Temple-host (140)


Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs

Balewind Vortex (40)


Total: 2000 / 2000

Extra Command Points: 1

Allies: 0 / 400

Wounds: 116

 

[ILKAIN]

so you are using the sunclaw battalion as a battleline tax? seems... sub optimal

 

[Lizerd]

so you are using the sunclaw battalion as a battleline tax? seems... sub optimal

It makes the Oldblood a lot scarier. I could also swap some knights for warriors, but knights have good mortal wound output. Saurus Warriors also can work in small units in sunclaw

 

[Lizerd]

@ILKAIN is this better? Or maybe I’m dumb and should scrap the idea entirely

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Koatl's Claw

Leaders
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (250)
- Artefact: Blade of Realities
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210)
- War Spear
Saurus Sunblood (130)
- General
- Command Trait: Dominant Predator
- Artefact: Eviscerating Blade
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Celestial Harmony
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Clubs
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Clubs
10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
- Clubs
10 x Saurus Knights (200)
- Lances

Battalions
Sunclaw Temple-host (140)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 116

 

[ILKAIN]

one, no idea is dumb until @LizardWizard says it is and he never says that

I guess my question is why both the sunblood and the oldblood. only one can be in the battalion. granted +1 hit and +1 wound is not a bad way to spend two command points, but its better if you have max size units to benefit from those commands, otherwise you are spending too many for less effect. also with warriors being over 15 is key. effectively (to me at east ) 20 just became the new min size units of warriors.

I like the second list much better. I would make a few modifications, but at the end of the day, you should evaluate the suggestions and play what you want:

drop the extra command point, you now have 70 free MPP and between kroak and 2x starpriests you don't need it. speaking of those
drop one star priest. add in a starseer. 20 points difference gets you access to 3d6 18" charges for those scar vets and old bloods on carno. 50 MPP left
drop the knights. (+200) add in 12 salamander.(-240) they are better. and it gives you something to put in front of kroak if you want to get him in the middle of the board to spam MW spells, to screen. its also a better source of MW than the knights are. 10 MPP left.

after that its all about whether or not you can keep that Sun blood in the thick of things with no teleport and no mount. personally I say drop him(+130) and use the last 10 free MPP to put in an astrolith bearer(-140). extra range for kroak, and a 6+++ for him and the slamanders you have guarding him. move the general trait to the old blood and make it even stronger, plus you will be issuing re-rolls and "treat as if charged" commands from him anyway so you get more back from the general trait.

the changes give you access to more diverse, argueably better abilities, and only cost you 1 wound on your total.

so your final list would be:

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Koatl's Claw

Leaders
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (250)
- Artefact: Blade of Realities
- General
- Command Trait: Dominant Predator
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210)
- War Spear
-Artefact: Eviscerating blade
Astrolith bearer (140)
Skink Starseer (140)
- Spell: Celestial Harmony
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Clubs
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Clubs
10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
- Clubs

Other
12x Salamanders (240)

Battalions
Sunclaw Temple-host (140)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 115

 

[Foodstamp]

I don't think he purchased a command point, on warscroll builder it just populates (maybe when choosing a battalion?). I like the salamander idea to stay with Kroak.. With the bound endless spells being so good I'm going to try something like this. I might be wrong, but I don't see the value in the starseer or astrolith in a coalesced list. Maybe that +1 casting for all the endless spells, but kroak is such a beast he doesn't need another +1 for that many points...

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Koatl's Claw

Leaders
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (250)
- General
- Command Trait: Dominant Predator
- Artefact: Eviscerating Blade
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210)
- War Spear
- Artefact: Blade of Realities
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Fiery Convocation

Battleline
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Spears
20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Spears
10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
- Clubs

Units
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Battalions
Sunclaw Temple-host (140)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Quicksilver Swords (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 107

 

[ILKAIN]

oh well crap well then thats 50 points over lol.... uh go to 9 sallies (-80) and then take bound gravetide with the last 30 for crowd control and better sceening