Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

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[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

a little old but still...

I wouldn't say Andor has sunk without a trace as the Drinker claims, as it is very popular with those who bothered to watch it, from what I've heard, and the next series is still confirmed to be in production, but everything else pretty much sums up the state of Star Wars today.

I hope the whining OT purists who were so needlessly aggressive to George and pressured him into selling Lucasfilm to Disney in the first place are happy.

True, George could have been stronger and refused to cave to their demands, but the fact remains that if those scum hadn't harassed him so much just because he was doing what he wanted with his creation, his franchise, his story, he would have kept it under his wing and away from Kennedy getting her mucky paws on it.

True, I like Rogue One a lot and Andor also looks solid, but with everything else looking from mediocre to downright awful and with Disney losing all momentum to make new content, I certainly do wonder what would have happened if George hadn't sold his brainchild.

 

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I wouldn't say Andor has sunk without a trace as the Drinker claims, as it is very popular with those who bothered to watch it, from what I've heard, and the next series is still confirmed to be in production, but everything else pretty much sums up the state of Star Wars today.

I hope the whining OT purists who were so needlessly aggressive to George and pressured him into selling Lucasfilm to Disney in the first place are happy.

True, George could have been stronger and refused to cave to their demands, but the fact remains that if those scum hadn't harassed him so much just because he was doing what he wanted with his creation, his franchise, his story, he would have kept it under his wing and away from Kennedy getting her mucky paws on it.

True, I like Rogue One a lot and Andor also looks solid, but with everything else looking from mediocre to downright awful and with Disney losing all momentum to make new content, I certainly do wonder what would have happened if George hadn't sold his brainchild.

Wait... Is this an argument that the Star Wars that came before is not as good as the Star Wars we're getting now? If so, welcome to the "Whining Star Wars Purists." We meet twice a month. Check your local OT, PT or Clone Wars chapter for days and times.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

Wait... Is this an argument that the Star Wars that came before is not as good as the Star Wars we're getting now?

Nope, it's simply a statement that Disney have messed up the Star Wars franchise, which is clearly true even from an objective, unbiased standpoint as more and more Disney Star Wars content either fails to perform or even fails to show up.

If so, welcome to the "Whining Star Wars Purists." We meet twice a month. Check your local OT, PT or Clone Wars chapter for days and times.

Very amusing, I'm sure.

However, I am not a purist because:

1. I have freely acknowledged that I find some Disney Star Wars to be good (Rogue One, potentially Andor, and to a lesser extent Solo). Not only that, I wish that Disney made more content of that level of quality, and not the far inferior stuff it had also produced. I know they can do it if they try and focus on a mature and realistic story and not on woke virtue-signalling or repeating what has come before, and I want them to continue trying. The demographic I was referring to are all-round haters of anything that has come round since the Original Trilogy that doesn't have the same atmosphere or hero-worship the original characters, just because it sought to do something different. I on the other hand am willing to have my mind opened to new eras and characters, so long as the content they are in is good in its own way. I just wish Disney would focus on making productions that do something different (and the right kind of different, i.e. not woke, inconsistent or otherwise botched) in the first place.
2. I have not been aggressive to anybody involved in the creation of media for the franchise just because they were involved in something I didn't like. The demographic I was referring to are those who have in the past flamed individuals like Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, George himself, plus later actors like Kelly Marie-Tran, who to them represented the embodiment of what they disliked about newer Star Wars content. I on the other hand have kept my grudges to myself (and perhaps a few associates on here and in real life through debates, I'll admit that ), and have never attempted or desired to genuinely insult anyone.

 

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I hope the whining OT purists who were so needlessly aggressive to George and pressured him into selling Lucasfilm to Disney in the first place are happy.

True, George could have been stronger and refused to cave to their demands, but the fact remains that if those scum hadn't harassed him so much just because he was doing what he wanted with his creation, his franchise, his story, he would have kept it under his wing and away from Kennedy getting her mucky paws on it.

Fishing for another OT versus PT debate?

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

Fishing for another OT versus PT debate?

Nope, I was just condemning the subset of the OT fanbase that harassed George just because he, the franchise's creator and the ultimate authority on it, wanted to take things in a different direction.

 

[Just A Skink]

Nope, it's simply a statement that Disney have messed up the Star Wars franchise, which is clearly true even from an objective, unbiased standpoint as more and more Disney Star Wars content either fails to perform or even fails to show up.



Very amusing, I'm sure.

However, I am not a purist because:

1. I have freely acknowledged that I find some Disney Star Wars to be good (Rogue One, potentially Andor, and to a lesser extent Solo). Not only that, I wish that Disney made more content of that level of quality, and not the far inferior stuff it had also produced. I know they can do it if they try and focus on a mature and realistic story and not on woke virtue-signalling or repeating what has come before, and I want them to continue trying. The demographic I was referring to are all-round haters of anything that has come round since the Original Trilogy that doesn't have the same atmosphere or hero-worship the original characters, just because it sought to do something different. I on the other hand am willing to have my mind opened to new eras and characters, so long as the content they are in is good in its own way. I just wish Disney would focus on making productions that do something different (and the right kind of different, i.e. not woke, inconsistent or otherwise botched) in the first place.
2. I have not been aggressive to anybody involved in the creation of media for the franchise just because they were involved in something I didn't like. The demographic I was referring to are those who have in the past flamed individuals like Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, George himself, plus later actors like Kelly Marie-Tran, who to them represented the embodiment of what they disliked about newer Star Wars content. I on the other hand have kept my grudges to myself (and perhaps a few associates on here and in real life through debates, I'll admit that ), and have never attempted or desired to genuinely insult anyone.

Of course, I was just trying to be overly clever and tease you a bit.

Respectfully, I do think your earlier statement, that Disney has messed up Star Wars and it's clearly true, hits closer to the stance of many of the "OT purists" you mention. I think lots of OT fans felt (feel?) like George messed up SW, similar to how lots of fans feel Disney has messed up SW. It seems to be objectively true. Phantom Menace performed, likely due to it being a highly-anticipated SW movie, but AotC and RotS were the first Star Wars movies to fail to reach #1 movie status domestically or globally. Similarly, Force Awakens performed, because it was an anticipated SW sequel, but TLJ and RoS dropped off (considerably). Neither the PT nor the ST has been as well received by the general fanbase as the OT.

But, I agree that I haven't seen you be aggressive, or unnecessarily mean, to SW actors or those of us on this SW thread. There were, and are, many SW fans who can be much nastier to actors and other SW fans. So I appreciate your overall good attitude and good humor, on this thread specifically. Like I said, I was just teasing you.

 

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Nope, I was just condemning the subset of the OT fanbase that harassed George just because he, the franchise's creator and the ultimate authority on it, wanted to take things in a different direction.

Well let's just say that you have a way with words that invites such conflict. When you throw around words like "OT purist" and "scum", calamity ensues.

They have every right to dislike his "new" work just like you have every right to enjoy it. It wasn't their fault that George sold the IP. I think the man just wanted to retire. He hasn't really been very active on other projects since then. His mistake was not recognizing Kathleen Kennedy as the snake in the grass that she is. Also, he could not have predicted what Disney would turn into. At the time the MCU was healthy and thriving and the full-blown wokeification of Hollywood was still a few years off.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

They have every right to dislike his "new" work just like you have every right to enjoy it.

They may have a right to dislike it, but even if they do they should keep it to themselves and to discussions among fans. The most vocal did not have the right to start flaming those involved in its development, that was a step way too far.

It wasn't their fault that George sold the IP. I think the man just wanted to retire. He hasn't really been very active on other projects since then.

It is certainly possible he wanted to retire as he was getting old by then, but I'm sure some of it must have been due to the nasty reactions a particularly aggressive minority displayed toward him and other people involved. The only other comparable toxicity I've seen from a fandom is toward JK Rowling after her political statements, a different and more avoidable situation but still needlessly spiteful on the part of the aggressors.

His mistake was not recognizing Kathleen Kennedy as the snake in the grass that she is. Also, he could not have predicted what Disney would turn into. At the time the MCU was healthy and thriving and the full-blown wokeification of Hollywood was still a few years off.

Those are both fair comments that I can certainly agree with. You are right in that those things have also contributed heavily to Star Wars' decline. Without Kennedy and with a non-woke Disney, we may well have got a much better Sequel Trilogy and TV series, and more spinoff films.

 

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They may have had a right to dislike it, but even if they do they should keep it to themselves. The most vocal did not have the right to start flaming those involved in its development, that was a step way too far.

We've got an entire thread dedicated to not keeping it to ourselves. We rant about woke, we rant about GW, we rant about a lot of things. That is the nature of the internet and that is the nature of life.

but I'm sure some of it must have been due to the nasty reactions a particularly aggressive minority displayed toward him and other people involved.

Really? Exactly what did they say and/or do? Let's see some receipts. I think this has been blown out of proportion.

We're talking about 1999 - 2005. Social media was essentially nowhere. Were they writing him mean letters?

 

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