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8th Ed. solo chief + ripper = toads?

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Okay itneresting question now.....
if as we suspect tiktak gets to join units but flying skink chiefs dont then I pose this question

since a solo skink chief on a ripper is a unit, does that mean they get their own toad token to place?
 
No, the chiefs ripper also doesn't get to use the toad tokens from other units, since the hero ripper doesn't have the toad rage special rule....
 
Enkill3 said:
No, the chiefs ripper also doesn't get to use the toad tokens from other units, since the hero ripper doesn't have the toad rage special rule....
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...yes it does, why wouldnt it?
 
Just thinking though, it just says you can mount him on a ripperdactyl in the points section of the army book. There is only 1 rules section on Ripperdactyls and this section has the Toad Rage special rule.

I would argue that he does have the rule and that Toad Rage is a special rule of the ripperdactyl.

If it says somewhere else what special rules his mount has specifically, please let me know. Otherwise I can only see that ripper's have toad rage. Similarly with Frenzy, KB, etc. wouldn't it be?

It does say "each unit" but he does count as a unit.
 
It has toad rage, the end.

By any other logic it would also mean that Carnosaur will NEVER have Bloodfrenzy, since they are only available as mounts.
 
Bottom of page 87 lists special rules for character mounts, ripperdactyl doesnt have toad rage, which means ontop of not getting his own toad marker he also doesnt get the benefit of attacking marked units either...
 
good, because i am thinking him by himself with an ogre blade and an enchanted shield or some such teamed with his ripper might make a deadly challenger or solo hunter.
 
I'm sorry, but it doesn't, the profile of the skink cheifs mount is listed in the character section, along with all the other mounts. It specifically DOESN'T have the toad rage rule. It has all the others. The terradons mount has its drop rocks special rule. But toad rage isn't there,
It might get FAQ'd, it might not.
 
huh...looks like your right...
 
how is toad rage phrased, the ripper dactyl might still be able to benefit from it, does it say ripperdactyls get the d3+1 or things with toad rage get d3+1 sadly left my book in my car hah
 
It's written under the toad rage section, it would need an FAQ.
 
The exact wording for toad rage allows for the chiefs ripper to benefit, it just says rippers attacking a unit with a blot toad marker gain d3+1 attacks etc

Ps. Sorry for poor writing doing this on phone real quick on break.

But re reading the toad rage rule, and this might be slight rules lawyering but. As long as one unit of ripperdactyl riders is on the board then a skink chief on a ripper dactyl would get the rerolls and bonus d3+1 frenzy attacks while going against a blot toad because the rulle specifically states ripperdactyls atttacking a blot toad get said bonuses it does not say models with toad rage gain the bonuses. However a chief cannot place place his own blot toad marker as he is not a "unit of ripperdactyl riders"
 
Its that the chiefs ripper doesnt get toad rage, if you read the ripper section but dont read the toad rage rule never does it say you get the rerolls or frenzy bonus. Without the rule you dont get the benefit, it sucks. They should have split the rule so that if you took a cheif you didnt get another toad, as this would be exploiting the rule, but you should always get the rerolls against marked units.
 
sortof

if I have 3 rippers on teh board then he does,
sure he doesnt have toad rage, bute the 3 rippers toad rage would tehn say that any ripperdactyl attacking something with a blot toad gets a frenzy bonus.

it's sort of the same with the swarms rule their every where. anything in base with something teh swarms are in base with gets poison,
a saurus doesnt have the rule the swarms do.

just because the saurus do not have the rule doesnt mean they dont get the poison

the rule states who get the poison
the toad rage rule states who gets the rerolls and frenzy bonus, ripperdactyls.
if there is a squad of ripperdactyls on the board tehy place a blot toad, then ANY ripperdactyl gets the frenzy bonus and reroll against a unit that has a blot toad.
the rule does not say only ripperdactyls with teh toad rage rule it says "ripperdactyls attacking a unit with a blot toad get d3+1 attacks and reroll to hits.
just as they're everywhere says anything in base with something the swarm is in base with gets poison.

done end of story it does not need toad rage teh same way the saurus does not need they're everywhere.


Now if a skink chief mounted on a ripperdactyl is on the board by himself with no ripperdactyl rider squad then he would not get the bonus...because a blot toad would not be on the board. but as the rules stand the toad rage rule simply states "a ripperdactyl attacking a unit with a blot toad gets d3+1 attacks and reroll to hit"
that is following exactyl RAW and probably RAI as well.


basically the chief ripper DOES NOT place a blot toad, but CAN benefit from one that is already out.
 
shahryar said:
sortof

if I have 3 rippers on teh board then he does,
sure he doesnt have toad rage, bute the 3 rippers toad rage would tehn say that any ripperdactyl attacking something with a blot toad gets a frenzy bonus.

it's sort of the same with the swarms rule their every where. anything in base with something teh swarms are in base with gets poison,
a saurus doesnt have the rule the swarms do.

just because the saurus do not have the rule doesnt mean they dont get the poison

the rule states who get the poison
the toad rage rule states who gets the rerolls and frenzy bonus, ripperdactyls.
if there is a squad of ripperdactyls on the board tehy place a blot toad, then ANY ripperdactyl gets the frenzy bonus and reroll against a unit that has a blot toad.
the rule does not say only ripperdactyls with teh toad rage rule it says "ripperdactyls attacking a unit with a blot toad get d3+1 attacks and reroll to hits.
just as they're everywhere says anything in base with something the swarm is in base with gets poison.

done end of story it does not need toad rage teh same way the saurus does not need they're everywhere.


Now if a skink chief mounted on a ripperdactyl is on the board by himself with no ripperdactyl rider squad then he would not get the bonus...because a blot toad would not be on the board. but as the rules stand the toad rage rule simply states "a ripperdactyl attacking a unit with a blot toad gets d3+1 attacks and reroll to hit"
that is following exactyl RAW and probably RAI as well.
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I don't think I agree with this. The second paragraph under "Toad rage" is where the extra frenzy attacks come from. It doesn't say any ripperdactyl, it says the ripperdactyl. To me, that would signify that you need the rule in order to benefit from the bonus. As the chief's mount doesn't have the rule, he wouldn't get the bonus.

Of course this is silly, so I would expect the forthcoming FAQ to say that it would get the bonus, but as the rule stands, he wouldn't.
 
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