Tutorial Seraphon List for Battletome 2.o

[LizardWizard]

So if we use spell in a bottle on a bound spell what happens to it? Can we not move it after setup?

You could move it after set up, but then no one could move it on any start of round. LOL. Unless your opponent were a Seraphon.

 

[DeathBringer125]

You could move it after set up, but then no one could move it on any start of round. LOL. Unless your opponent were a Seraphon.

Why is that? I read the rules on bound suffocating gravetide and nowhere does it say only Seraphon can move it. Is that not part of the warscroll? I'm assuming that's the case as otherwise anyone could control bound spells

 

[LizardWizard]

Why is that? I read the rules on bound suffocating gravetide and nowhere does it say only Seraphon can move it. Is that not part of the warscroll? I'm assuming that's the case as otherwise anyone could control bound spells

That is why it is an issue. The SIAB lets you ignore warscroll restrictions such as it only being cast by "x" aligned hero. Bound Endless Spell are a Seraphon thing. So it is under the bound endless spell rules in the Seraphon Battletome.

 

[DeathBringer125]

That is why it is an issue. The SIAB lets you ignore warscroll restrictions such as it only being cast by "x" aligned hero. Bound Endless Spell are a Seraphon thing. So it is under the bound endless spell rules in the Seraphon Battletome.

ohhhhhhh

 

[MackiMac]

You have to have Seraphon allegiance to be able to use bound spells proberly right? Or is it enough to have a allied seraphon wizard?

 

[Erta Wanderer]

You have to have Seraphon allegiance to be able to use bound spells proberly right? Or is it enough to have a allied seraphon wizard?

you must be Seraphon allegiance as it its a faction ability not a warscroll ability

 

[Lizerd]

Oh @LizardWizard of the lake, what is your wisdom for a Slaves to Darkness list with Archaon?

preferably with only a few varanguard

 

[Killer Angel]

Oh @LizardWizard of the lake, what is your wisdom for a Slaves to Darkness list with Archaon?

preferably with only a few varanguard

Define "few"... because 3 of them are already able to wreck things

 

[LizardWizard]

Oh @LizardWizard of the lake, what is your wisdom for a Slaves to Darkness list with Archaon?

preferably with only a few varanguard

You are actually the second person to ask me that today.

Allegiance: Slaves to Darkness
- Damned Legion: Host of the Everchosen (Eighth Circle)

Leaders:
Archaon the Everchosen (800)
- General
- Aura of Chaos: Slaanesh
- Spell: Ruinous Vigour
Gaunt Summoner (240)
- Spell: Call to Glory

Battleline:
3 x Varanguard (300)
- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh
3 x Varanguard (300)
- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh
40 x Chaos Marauders (300)
- Axes & Shields
- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
Realmscourge Rupture (60)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 95

 

[LizardWizard]

If you want to go Cabalist or Ravagers then I wold drop a unit of 3x Varanguard and bring another 40x Marauders

 

[LizardWizard]

Thought I should post a quick reference table showing my views on when to place and when to decline placing the Realmshaper Engine. This was originally posted in a dedicated RSE thread.

There are some match ups where I will elect to not place my Realmshaper Engine on the table, some situations that are a toss up, and some where the potential benefit is too good to pass up. Here is a quick guide to my current theory on when to use and not use the RSE. If there is enough community interest then I will begin the process of a more in depth guide to Realmshaper Engine usage.

Times to Place It:

• Your opponent doesn't have a good reason to garrison.
• You stand to gain a great advantage if you decided territories (Exp: Heavy shooting list who are mobile such as CoS and DoT).
• There is no substantial risk if you fail to win the territory roll off.
• You need every advantage, luck included, to beat your opponent.

Times to Elect Against Placing:

• The opponent has units that greatly benefit from Garrisoning and don't require being mobile (Exp: Nagash).
• The opponent will greatly benefit from line of sight blocking.
• Your opponent having the terrain is greater than any benefit you would receive from having it.
• There is substantial risk if you fail to win the territory roll off.

Great Uses:

• Blocking movement.
• Constricting a deployment zone.
• Blocking line of sight.
• Baiting a misdeploy (Exp: you can draw support units out of effective range).
• Causing additional decision making for an opponent.
• Creating an additional focal point to battle over. (Exp: Placing the RSE in neutral territory vs an elite army might leave your opponent with having to surrender the RSE or an objective)

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[valentine009]

Anyone experiment with an allied Knight-Azyros?

For context, he is a 100pt stormcast leader that gives reroll 1s to friendly units against enemies with 10' of him. He moves 12' with fly and has a decent statline.

 

[LizardWizard]

I like Knight Azyros a lot in SCE list. His main weakness in Seraphon is that he lacks Scions of the Storm to deploy him where needed. Generally this will mean you are relying on your opponent to come to you, or you having to deploy him on the line and run him forward to guarantee him being in range of the correct enemy unit.

In terms of optimal unit usage, I would rather spend 50 of the 100 points he cost to buy an extra command point so that I can reroll one for the unit who needs it most and then put the left over points into an endless spell or something else. It doesn't have as good of a potentially long term use, but turn 1-3 is where the Knight Azyros would normally matter most. And in my experience he gets taken off the table within a turn of him being where he needs to be.

The Knight Azyros is still a very strong unit. If you like it and see it having good use in your army then you should definitely bring one along.

 

[Nart]

If would need rerolls badly, I'd take Burning head for 40.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

If would need rerolls badly, I'd take Burning head for 40.

But it's 9" wholly within, while Azyros is 10" within. But is it really worth to pay 60 pts more for re-roll, even regarding his abilities? That D6 MW on all Chaos within 8" looks powerful, but it's one-time so...

 

[valentine009]

The knight is an 'offensive aura' it affects enemies within 10'. Burning head is 'defensive' in that it affects friendly units wholly within 9'.

 

[Nart]

But it's 9" wholly within, while Azyros is 10" within.

But he must be near the enemy, while the Head must be near friendly units. I don't expect it to buff the whole army, however. But 1-2 units can realistically benifit from it every turn. And, considering our good to-hit values and CP shortage, it is pretty helpful for only 40 points.

 

[Grotpunter]

Burning Head for a shooty list for sure. Azyros could be a thing for Saurus lists though, with his move even keeping up with Knights is no issue.

 

[Nart]

Burning Head for a shooty list for sure. Azyros could be a thing for Saurus lists though, with his move even keeping up with Knights is no issue.

Still a bit too much of an investment, imo. Saurus have weight of attacks and stll can be buffed with hand of glory/all out attack, if needed. Ineed, I'd rather buy another CP and spend another 50 pts elsewhere. 100 pts is too much, IMO.

 

[LizardWizard]

Still a bit too much of an investment, imo. Saurus have weight of attacks and stll can be buffed with hand of glory/all out attack, if needed. Ineed, I'd rather buy another CP and spend another 50 pts elsewhere. 100 pts is too much, IMO.

That is my take on the Knight Azyros for Seraphon.