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Tutorial Seraphon List for Battletome 2.o

red_moo said:
Heh, thought it might be something in that direction. Thanks for clarifying!
Though in the lists the loadouts are pretty random so I had to ask. :)

Also the lists you posted are great, thank you, but since the point values change so much some of them are over 2000pts now, like the first one.

I have another dilemma though. We all try to work with what we have/like. Shadowstrike terradons with slann/kroak(still trying to find a metal one) and salamanders/kroxigors are pretty much what I am looking at and wish to play.

Would just 9 terradons + 1 chief be enough to be a viable unit?

Beside terradons I love sallies (have 3 packs) and kroxies (have 6). I'm having some trouble coming up with a good tournament or at least very competitive mishmash of your 3 lists that would include all of them or any viable combination of them beside those 9 terradons.

Any ideas? :)
Sorry for going ham with the questions, but I think I exhausted them for now.. :D

Thank you for helping us. :)
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Perhaps something like this:

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders:
Skink Starseer (140)
- General
- Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
- Spell: Hand of Glory
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Tide of Serpents
Skink Priest (70)
Terradon Chief (70)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger

Battleline:
30 x Skinks (180)
- Boltspitters & Moonstone Clubs
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

Units:
6 x Kroxigor (280)
- 2x Moonhammers
9 x Terradon Riders (270)
- Sunleech Bolas
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 150

You could buff your Skink units numbers by dropping the Astrolith and Balewind Vortex if you aren't worried about the casting bonuses and extra range for Kroak.
 
Oh niiice! Thanks! Already makes me giddy... :D Little worried about not having the shadowstrike battalion, but I guess it should be ok. This gives quite a lot of room for tinkering (beside your option) after testing out the original. And everything falls under 2000pts!

- starseer, - vortex, + shadowstrike = 1980
- 3 kroxigor, - vortex, + shadowstrike = 1980
- 3 kroxigor, + 10 skinks, + bound geminids = 1980
- starseer, + 3 kroxigor, + bound geminids = 1980
- kroak, - starseer, + slann, + 10 skinks, + shadowstrike = 1980
- kroak, - 3 kroxigor, + slann, + 10 skinks, + shadowstrike = 1980

ok i will stop now... :D

Looking forward to playing around with this base you created. And to what you all come up with after we can play again.

Thanks for a nice welcome to the forum. :)
 
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LizardWizard said:
Perhaps something like this:

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders:
Skink Starseer (140)
- General
- Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
- Spell: Hand of Glory
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Tide of Serpents
Skink Priest (70)
Terradon Chief (70)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger

Battleline:
30 x Skinks (180)
- Boltspitters & Moonstone Clubs
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

Units:
6 x Kroxigor (280)
- 2x Moonhammers
9 x Terradon Riders (270)
- Sunleech Bolas
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 150

You could buff your Skink units numbers by dropping the Astrolith and Balewind Vortex if you aren't worried about the casting bonuses and extra range for Kroak.
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A bit to heroe heavy for me. Although the starpriest is very nice. I would drop him for 60 skinks and Bound Geminids. Or maybe Kroxigors is you fancy.

I would pass on the shadowstrike, it isnt that great anymore and now is pricy. Normally I would take a battalion for the effect, lower drops, artifact and command point. But the effect is mediocre, you still have high drops and the artifact you mostly want is Aetherquartz for Cmd point spamm. But this list isnt al that command point hungry. Maybe some resurrect artifacts on the skinks, since they are squashi. But I rather have some wounds
 
@LizardWizard What do think of this list for more competitive play? Do you think it has enough damage between buffed up Skinks, Salamanders -2 rend/MW and endless spells to deal with the top dog meta picks we currently see?

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders
Slann Starmaster (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Arcane Might
- Spell: Celestial Equilibrium
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger
Skink Priest (70)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Guard (100)

Units
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)
Bound The Burning Head (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 146
 
Grotpunter said:
@LizardWizard What do think of this list for more competitive play? Do you think it has enough damage between buffed up Skinks, Salamanders -2 rend/MW and endless spells to deal with the top dog meta picks we currently see?

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders
Slann Starmaster (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Arcane Might
- Spell: Celestial Equilibrium
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger
Skink Priest (70)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Guard (100)

Units
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)
Bound The Burning Head (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 146
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I like it!
 
Grotpunter said:
You just seem to include Terradons in all of your FoS lists from what I have seen.
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I like Terradons a lot. The only strong counter play to them is to shoot them. Which just happens to be the same counter play to kill skink blobs. The majority of shooting armies will have to decided to which focus fire. And the other should likely emerge intact. And either threat is capable of killing off most shooting blocks.

Armies who can't shoot them are just out of luck :D
 
LizardWizard said:
I like Terradons a lot. The only strong counter play to them is to shoot them. Which just happens to be the same counter play to kill skink blobs. The majority of shooting armies will have to decided to which focus fire. And the other should likely emerge intact. And either threat is capable of killing off most shooting blocks.

Armies who can't shoot them are just out of luck :D
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I have somewhat mixed feelings with Terradons. They seem like a one-button wonder. You basically press the button and delete a single unit, but then they flop about helplessly. I guess it is ok to spend 340/430 (depending on 9 vs 12 Terradons) to eliminate 1 big threat.

Do you think double frog is worthwhile, or what would you change about the list without entirely remaking the idea behind it?
 
Grotpunter said:
I have somewhat mixed feelings with Terradons. They seem like a one-button wonder. You basically press the button and delete a single unit, but then they flop about helplessly. I guess it is ok to spend 340/430 (depending on 9 vs 12 Terradons) to eliminate 1 big threat.

Do you think double frog is worthwhile, or what would you change about the list without entirely remaking the idea behind it?
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they are a one button wonder but oh what a button they can wipe half of your opponents army in one turn. mmm happy thoughts
 
Erta Wanderer said:
they are a one button wonder but oh what a button they can wipe half of your opponents army in one turn. mmm happy thoughts
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This will work as a "gotcha-moment" against people that dont see it coming/arent experienced with it. But if your opponent knows what Terradons do, they wont let you hit that many units at once.

In fact against many armies I predict you will likely have to hold the Terradons back for multiple turns to hope the screens make a hole etc.
 
Grotpunter said:
@LizardWizard What do think of this list for more competitive play? Do you think it has enough damage between buffed up Skinks, Salamanders -2 rend/MW and endless spells to deal with the top dog meta picks we currently see?

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders
Slann Starmaster (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Arcane Might
- Spell: Celestial Equilibrium
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger
Skink Priest (70)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Guard (100)

Units
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)
Bound The Burning Head (40)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 146
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I like this list alot. And I have the stuff to do it (as long as I base my skinks). Seems fun and fairly straightforward. And I love the use of double Slann. Any tips on tactics etc to use with this list?
 
Grotpunter said:
I have somewhat mixed feelings with Terradons. They seem like a one-button wonder. You basically press the button and delete a single unit, but then they flop about helplessly. I guess it is ok to spend 340/430 (depending on 9 vs 12 Terradons) to eliminate 1 big threat.

Do you think double frog is worthwhile, or what would you change about the list without entirely remaking the idea behind it?
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In most cases I expect to use the Terradons more for their threat than for their actual impact. As much as you are forced to bide your time and be patient so is your opponent. And they will be taking damage from other sources all the while. Terradons high movement allows them to remain at a safe distance from most threats while still being able to capitalize on a good double turn.

Turn two-three is when I expect to get work done with my Terradons. Perhaps 3-4 vs some opponents/armies. Terradons are also useful beyond their MWs. Their shooting is equal to Razordons in most cases. It's range is the only downside, but this can be countermanded by the units impressive movement speed.

I like Kroak with Slann. It is extra CCP; minior but still useful. Having 3 more spell slots and being able to cast Equilibrium for Kroak are all great additions. In most cases the question will become, would 360 points be better spent on more Salamanders, Skinks, or Terradons.
 
LizardWizard said:
In most cases I expect to use the Terradons more for their threat than for their actual impact. As much as you are forced to bide your time and be patient so is your opponent. And they will be taking damage from other sources all the while. Terradons high movement allows them to remain at a safe distance from most threats while still being able to capitalize on a good double turn.

Turn two-three is when I expect to get work done with my Terradons. Perhaps 3-4 vs some opponents/armies. Terradons are also useful beyond their MWs. Their shooting is equal to Razordons in most cases. It's range is the only downside, but this can be countermanded by the units impressive movement speed.

I like Kroak with Slann. It is extra CCP; minior but still useful. Having 3 more spell slots and being able to cast Equilibrium for Kroak are all great additions. In most cases the question will become, would 360 points be better spent on more Salamanders, Skinks, or Terradons.
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I didnt really think about just using their mobility to move around on the board when the time comes. My plan was to go javelins (since they can shoot outside 9") and go with Shadowstrike batallion. The only thing that has kept me back was that without any significant charge bonuses, the charge roll will on average fail, and as such they would be stranded 9" away more than half the time. If the odds are that bad, I dont like basing my strategy around it.

I dont know how relevant the 5 Guards are - Playtesting will show - So maybe I could sub the 5 Guards + Salamanders for 9 Terradons + 1 Chief.

I do like the idea of placing the Realmshaper Engine just inside 1 territory and hope for the 50/50. If I fail it and my opponent deploys something inside, Kroak will have reach for bomb whatever is inside with Astrolith + Balewind. If I do win the roll-off, I'll deploy Kroak inside with the Guard behind it. Giving him a 3+ save and -2 to be hit vs shooting, any wounds that go through is 2+ to the guards and remaining wounds is 4+ and 6+.
 
Grotpunter said:
I didnt really think about just using their mobility to move around on the board when the time comes. My plan was to go javelins (since they can shoot outside 9") and go with Shadowstrike batallion. The only thing that has kept me back was that without any significant charge bonuses, the charge roll will on average fail, and as such they would be stranded 9" away.

I dont know how relevant the 5 Guards are - Playtesting will show - So maybe I could sub the 5 Guards + Salamanders for 9 Terradons + 1 Chief.
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Try both builds and see which you like more. I am not a huge fan of the Starborne Shadowstrike Starhost. If I take it will probably be to put screening units of Skinks into the heavens or because I really want "x" artefact. I do feel like Terradons have enough movement to be fine on their own. Then if you are playing against an army with sufficient shooting or table reach to threaten your Terradons you can put them into the Heavens for safekeeping.
 
IggyStarhost said:
A bit to heroe heavy for me. Although the starpriest is very nice. I would drop him for 60 skinks and Bound Geminids. Or maybe Kroxigors is you fancy.

I would pass on the shadowstrike, it isnt that great anymore and now is pricy. Normally I would take a battalion for the effect, lower drops, artifact and command point. But the effect is mediocre, you still have high drops and the artifact you mostly want is Aetherquartz for Cmd point spamm. But this list isnt al that command point hungry. Maybe some resurrect artifacts on the skinks, since they are squashi. But I rather have some wounds
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Ohh good one! Will surely play around with this. The other interesting option that i see here would maybe be dropping starseer and kroak for slann, starpriest and one more salamander for 2x2 units.

Ok, noted,thank you! I think I got way too invested in necessary inclusion of the battalion.

Grotpunter said:
This will work as a "gotcha-moment" against people that dont see it coming/arent experienced with it. But if your opponent knows what Terradons do, they wont let you hit that many units at once.

In fact against many armies I predict you will likely have to hold the Terradons back for multiple turns to hope the screens make a hole etc.
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I would think keeping them back, then setting up the heros, starborn teleporting terradons in to position and shoot/throw rocks would be a good option. Wrong?
 
Do we have any lists that could do week against orruks? Preferably one without carnosaurs ( no I’m not having an identity crisis) as my current list beat the life out of them a while back. I’m guessing purple sun of shyish and salamanders?
 
DeathBringer125 said:
I like this list alot. And I have the stuff to do it (as long as I base my skinks). Seems fun and fairly straightforward. And I love the use of double Slann. Any tips on tactics etc to use with this list?
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It is hard to say, because I havent tried the list at all due to the current lockdown in my country. People are taking it rather serious (as they should!) in my area. It also heavily depends on what you are facing.

My general idea is to kill support heroes (Comet's Call, possibly Realmshaper Engine, Geminids zooming about etc.) but also whittle down the army with a buffed up 40 man Skinks squad effectively shooting twice reach battleround with a CP. All our buffs last until our next hero phase, so the FoS command ability makes the Skinks shoot at the enemy charge phase while they are all juiced up - This is a lot of damage per point. If they manage to run away on the 4+, the enemy might be in for a rough time. Salamanders are great against high armor stuff - I would likely buff up these and be ready to deepstrike an important unit with our teleport. If they make the charge - Great, if not, their shooting should still deal significant damage.

The idea is that you generally want to drag out the game and whittle down your opponent, since you are pretty much entirely magic/shooting. You really want to get Bound Geminids and Bound Purple Sun on the board asap. Bound Geminids is cast on a 7 and Purple Sun is cast on an 8 - You are sitting at either +3 on both of Kroak and the Slann or +4 Kroak and +2 Slann. The Slann also gets 1 reroll with his trait. This is actually rather difficult to dispell for a majority of armies, since they have to beat the casting value, so the Bound Endless Spells are likely gonna last for a couple of turns. If not, they will at least eat up likely important casts from enemy wizards.

Im still toying with the Realmshaper Engine, and I'll admit I jumped the gun on the terrain piece a bit too fast. I will likely put it in 1 deployment zone and hope for the 50/50 - Put Kroak inside and 5 Guards behind the terrain feature. If my enemy gets the side and is baited into putting units inside, the footprint is likely so big that Kroak got reach with Astrolith +6 and Balewind +6 from turn 1 to bomb whatever is inside with 3x CD etc. Should likely die.

Summoning is really a great complimentary to Starborne imo. On average you will get 8 CCP per turn. Depending on how you roll and what you need, you can drag in a unit of 10 Skinks to screen your important stuff, or summon a new Skink Priest/Starpriest if your current ones get sniped or you want to juice up both 40 man blobs.

There is really a lot of MWs between the Skink Starseer buff on 40 Skinks, the Salamanders, Endless Spells and Kroak. We dont care about OBR rerolling saves in combat since they will die during the shooting phase/magic slinging.
 
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