AoS Scar vet on carnosaur using command ability on himself

[Yoshi]

Hey guys, need some help on a rules question for Scar vet on carnosaur's command ability. I can't find anything and was surprised it was being questioned.

Can his command ability be used on himself giving his attacks with his celestite weapon two extra hits on a roll of 6 with the cold ferocity?

My friend stated that it only states 2 hits with the ability not 3. I stated that it won't say 3 because it is a different ability. Is there any rules/faq/video I can show him or am I wrong?

 

[LizardWizard]

Hey guys, need some help on a rules question for Scar vet on carnosaur's command ability. I can't find anything and was surprised it was being questioned.

Can his command ability be used on himself giving his attacks with his celestite weapon two extra hits on a roll of 6 with the cold ferocity?

My friend stated that it only states 2 hits with the ability not 3. I stated that it won't say 3 because it is a different ability. Is there any rules/faq/video I can show him or am I wrong?

He can use his CA on himself. He would get 3 hits on each roll of a 6. One for the hit being successful, 1 extra for his Command ability, and 1 for his built in rule on his celestite weapon.

 

[Canas]

when in doubt remember: everything stacks unless it's explicitly stated otherwise somewhere.

 

[Grotpunter]

The interesting thing here is that the ability specifically says the attack scores "2 hits instead of 1", not that you get an additional attack. I think there is a case for arguing that it wont stack due to the exact wording of the ability. There is an FAQ to the Core Rules that states a single dice roll can trigger multiple effects at once, so Im personally of the opinion that it stacks and you score 2 additional hits per 6s. Just making you aware some people have the other stance. It is somewhat a grey area tbh.

 

[Canas]

I could swear there was a F.A.Q. at some point explaining that it stacked in the following way: each of the abilities turns 1 normal hit into 1 normal + 1 bonus hit. So you get the following:

- Hit roll of 6 -> 1 hit (1 normal hit)
- celestite weapon causes the normal hit to trigger a bonus hit -> 2 hits (1 normal, 1 bonus)
- command ability causes the normal hit to trigger a bonus hit -> 3 hits (1 normal, 2 bonus)

And if you'd stack more rules like this you could continue indefenitly.

The reason for this F.A.Q. was cuz someone wondered if it would result in 4 hits (celestite weapon doubles the hit, command ability then doubling those 2 hits)

Can't find the F.A.Q. anymore though, which is rather annoying.

 

[ILKAIN]

I could swear there was a F.A.Q. at some point explaining that it stacked in the following way: each of the abilities turns 1 normal hit into 1 normal + 1 bonus hit. So you get the following:

- Hit roll of 6 -> 1 hit (1 normal hit)
- celestite weapon causes the normal hit to trigger a bonus hit -> 2 hits (1 normal, 1 bonus)
- command ability causes the normal hit to trigger a bonus hit -> 3 hits (1 normal, 2 bonus)

And if you'd stack more rules like this you could continue indefenitly.

The reason for this F.A.Q. was cuz someone wondered if it would result in 4 hits (celestite weapon doubles the hit, command ability then doubling those 2 hits)

Can't find the F.A.Q. anymore though, which is rather annoying.

There was a specific designers commentary, and this question and that ruling are in this forum already somewhere. I recall because I was part of the convo lol

 

[Canas]

There was a specific designers commentary, and this question and that ruling are in this forum already somewhere. I recall because I was part of the convo lol

see, I knew I wasn't insane and remembering things that didn't happen. Or at least not about this