(POTENTIAL CONTROVERSY) 007 Film Continued Discussion

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Scalenex]

on the same subject, there's also this one:

I in fact paid for a digital copy of her documentary The Red Pill which is a good way to show that you can care about men without dumping on women. In fact, misandry even hurts women. I would recommend everyone who can afford it and is even mildly interested in social politics pick up a copy of Cassie Jaye's The Red Pill.

Boko Haram, the group responsible for the mass abductions of the "Bring Back Our Girls" campaign intially killed all the men and boys and sent the girls home. They weren't getting enough notoriety (and the Boko Haram really want notoriety), so they started abducting girls. Suddenly they get more notoriety. By not caring about the dead boys, this ended up imperilling the girls.

 

[Aginor]

Boko Haram, the group responsible for the mass abductions of the "Bring Back Our Girls" campaign intially killed all the men and boys and sent the girls home. They weren't getting enough notoriety (and the Boko Haram really want notoriety), so they started abducting girls. Suddenly they get more notoriety. By not caring about the dead boys, this ended up imperilling the

They were notorious before they did that. And they did abduct men and boys as well. And they killed men, women, and children as well, before and after that more famous incident. And people in Nigeria and elsewhere did care, and do care.
Boko Haram is a good example for a lot of horrible things, but gender politics isn't one of them.
They mainly don't kill the girls because they rape them and force them to 'marry' them and have their children. Just like Daesh did it. That's the way they continue to exist. They need replenishments.
The famous incident happened in 2014 IIRC, and Boko Haram has been a recurring topic (at least here) since 2011 or so.

 

[pendrake]

So are they paying 009, the female “Bond”, less money than 007 ?

****desperately searching for any connection to a Bond film****

 

[Aginor]

So are they paying 009, the female “Bond”, less money than 007 ?

****desperately searching for any connection to a Bond film****

Probably.
The pay gap exists for actors, IIRC only one (maybe it was two, I saw a list a few days ago) of the highest paid women would make it into the top 10 list if you throw the genders together.
Also: Daniel Craig is a well-known actor who probably earns a lot more in general. The person to follow him is basically a nobody I guess.

 

[ravagekitteh]

I am going to leave aside the issue of the gender pay gap. Of all the talking points, it is probably the most contended by people on both sides of the divide, and depending on where you look the evidence can be overwhelmingly for or against it. However, even if it doesn’t exist, all it means is that women aren’t being paid less than men - it still leaves many other injustices and is by no means proof that feminism is invalid.

I agree with @ravagekitteh.

I have been largely ignorant of many of the struggles facing young white men in positions of disadvantage. I do still think that the systemic and greater oppression is born by women and people of color. In terms of politics, both social and economic, I am left of center. Rather left actually. For the past two years I have jumped between dismissing the right as absurd and trying to understand their reasoning that seems absurd to me.

Where my preamble was headed is this; there is a crisis among young white men. This crisis is played out in school shootings, work place shootings, newsroom shootings, pizza-gate rampages, across the various anonymous messages boards of the internet, suicide, and an epidemic of depression. I think part of the anger that fuels these individuals is a feeling that what they were promised has not materialized. At least in the USA many of these people have faced the hard reality of sky rocketing educational expenses, prohibitaly high medical expenses, diminished access to high paying low skill jobs, and a displacement of status among their piers. This is not to say these same conditions have not had equal presence on people across the demographic spectrum.

The left, at least in its forward facing messaging, has largely ignored these people or blamed them for their own plight. The right (when I say right in this instance I mean Breitbart and the alt-right) has heard the anger and backlash from these young men and then misattributed their woes to immigration, affirmative action, social programs, libs, gays, Muslims, ect, ect, ect. We are fighting against what should be allies in the cause for economic reform, medical coverage expansion, wage expansion, and education access because we have failed to hear their woes.

What we risk by ignoring the small warehouse fire is that the owner will become a revanchist arsonist. While I believe in the cause of the left I disagree with its willingness to demonize deplorables. Instead of lining up to fight we should be spreading out to reform.

Sorry to take things so far off topic

This is an extremely good point and one the left in general could do with taking into account more. To put it into the analogy I used before, I think the answer is to give more funding to the fire service - ie ensure all these issues are heard. Priority should still be given to the ‘minorities’ - they will be going through all the same issues the young white men will be, but will all the additional disadvantages afforded to them by gender/sexuality etc. However, to act like the issue doesn’t affect white men helps absolutely nobody.

That being said however, it doesn’t excuse what the right wing media are doing. If a young white man is sitting homeless in the street, the guy who goes up to him and says it’s his fault and that he should get up off his arse and work is undoubtedly an arsehole. But the true bastard in the guy who instead goes up to him, hands him a gun, and tells him to shoot that gay person over there and take their money.

More fuel for the fire...

I’m not quite sure what the point he’s trying to make is. Should Megan Rapinoe not call out the hypocrisy of the nomination? I think it would do people good to remember that oppressive people can still be nice to them personally, and to remember that they should still be called out for oppression anyway.

And the hypocrisy is there, assuming the statement that there is severe gender inequality in the hiring process is true (which the video itself does). In fact, I think we can use largely the same logic as you did with the gender pay gap.

The three possibilities:
1. There is sexism involved in the hiring process
2. Every single man given the job was objectively better than all female candidates for the role
3. The company is not interested in making money from its journalism.

As you did before, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to discount possibility three - it is a company after all. That leaves one and two. And number two, like the idea that Latino women are unable to do the job as well, is also absurd. That isn’t to say there aren’t plenty of men that could do the job better than there female candidates, but in that case the split would likely be 50-50, or at least near as dammit that the differences in employment would not be enough to make a point about. All that leaves us with is number one - something which I think we can all agree should be criticised and dealt with severely, regardless of whatever shiny medal the perpetrator might have just given you beforehand.

As to the point of most people don't like to read walls of text. I like this picture.

And I like this chart.

Now it's time for walls of text and long videos!

In the areas where women have it worse then men, the gap is smaller. Men make up about 40% of domestic abuse victims and about 40% of rape victims.

Of the latter, most of the male rape victims are in prison, and we as a society do not generally care much about prisoner rights. That's not a gendered issue. Women's prisons have nasty crap in them too.

The domestic violence issue is a problem. The Delueth Model basically teaches police that men are the abusers and women are the victimizers. There is a lot of cases where the man is bruised and beaten and the cops arrest him.

In most cases one-directional violence is a woman on a man. About 70% of the time according to most domestic abuse statistics I've seen. Both real life and staged fake events show that if a woman beats a man in public peope will ignore or laugh at it, but a crowd will immediately converge on the man and attack if he defends himself. If a man is attacked by a woman in public, his only real option is to run away.

I read an article stating that 20% of homeless people in Western countries were women. The article wasn't saying "We need to help all the men!" it was stating "20% is too high, we need to help those poor women!"

Humans have such an inborn bias towards helping women that I hope suicide never becomes a gendered issue. I bet if it does, suicide prevention funding will sink like a stone.

I am reluctant to include this video because it has the MGTOW label but it's well reasoned and doesn't use offensive language.

Norah Vincent was an actress who spent a year as Ned Vincent. It's long but it's deep. Norah's experience largely got swept under the rug because it goes against the predominant feminist narrative. If you don't want to watch the whole thing. Skip to 18:38 for her summary.

The Paygap

Spoiler: The main contributor to the pay gap

Here is a fictional society. There 500 men and 500 women. There are only two jobs. Retail and Corporate.

Retail, men get paid $10 per hour and women get paid $11 per hour. There are 200 men and 300 women in this sector.

Corporate, men get paid $25 per hour and women get paid $26 per hour. There are 300 men and 200 women in this sector.

[(200 x $10) + (300 x $25)]/500
[$2000 + $7500]/500
9500/500
Men get $19.00 per hour on average

[(300 x $11) + (200 x $26)]/500
[3300 + 5200]/500
8800/500
Women get paid $17.60 on average

On paper, there is a $1.40 pay gap in this society in men's favor despite women getting a small preferential pay grade in every job. That is fairly close to real life actually.

This backed by real world data. When companies get audited for pay equality they usually find that men are being underpaid for the same work.

In this fictional society, maybe you should argue that Corporate jobs should have 50/50 female representation. This has been argued a lot for high profile jobs like engineers, politicians and CEOs. You don't see femninists arguing for 50/50 female representation for plumbers, miners, construction workers, garbage collectors, and the like.

The biggest contributor to the paygap is that women choose jobs that pay less. Women tend to prefer working with people and men tend to prefer working with things. The latter jobs are easier to scale so they tend to be paid more.

4/5 of the top earnings college degrees are earned by a majority of men. (The exception is pharmacy which as a majority of women).

4/5 of the lowest earnings college degrees are earned by a majority of women. (The exception is theology which has a majority of men).

Most people accept that Scandanvian countries provide more freedom and opportunities for women. They tend to have fewer women in STEM than places like the United States. Which country has the highest percentage of women in STEM? Iran. The more patriarchial a country is, the more likely a woman is to enter a male dominated field. Assuming a country is so patriarchical that women cannot attend university at all.

Spoiler: Secondary Contributors

The number two reason for the pay gap is motherhood. If you have a man and woman who have the same education and background and joined the company at the same time. but over twenty years the woman took off four years to have some kids, is it fair that the man is now ahead of her? I don't know what's fair in the grand scheme of things, but as far as the employer is concerned, she gets more consistent work out of the male employee.

We could decide as a society that business should help pay for the next generation. Maybe that is right on moral grounds, but if an employer is obligated to provide daycare, breast milk pumping areas, or other accomodations for mothers than there is no such thing as an equally qualified male and female candidate. If their qualifications are the same, the male is objectively better from a financial point of view.

The Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination on the grounds of a person having a disability, but the passage of the ADA has not improved disabled people's job prospects. They are just not hired. The hiring people cannot say "I didn't hire you because of your diability" so they will make up a neutral excuse "We found a better candidate." This will happen to women as a whole, if laws force major special accomodations for women in the workplace.

We have that now! There is a big problem of talented female doctors and lawyers quitting in their mid thirties to focus on their family and never come back.




Another portion of the paygap is that men take more dangerous jobs, men take more jobs that work outside, men take more jobs that are dirty, men take more jobs with irregular hours.



Men take fewer sick days than women on average even certain things like the common cold actually hit men harder or more often. Men are more likely to work through the pain. That's probably why women tend to outlive men by 6-8 years on average. That and the disproportionate war death, homicide death, suicide death, and accident death thing.

Testoterone helps people cope with stress. Men have more testosterone. Men tend to outperform women in high stress jobs. The downside is powering through stress causes a strain on long term health. Again the eight year life gap again.

On average men and women are about the same in terms of IQ, but men have more variance. Men have more geniuses and more morons than women have. This is why men dominate multi-million dollar CEO jobs by a wide margin and this is why men are more likely to be homeless.

Not just IQ, but work ethic too. Men have more lazy people and more insane workaholics than women have.

Men have more upper body strength. This doesn't matter for most jobs, but it matters for some. If you see a group of road workers 4 men and 1 woman. The men are doing the road work and the woman is holding the sign. Among firefighters the female firefighters stay with the truck while the men climb the ladders or knock down the doors.

Also, I loathe Monopoly. There are so much better board games out there....

Child custody and mental health problems are undoubtedly the two main problems that affect men more than women in this day and age. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise, and to attempt to downplay it benefits nobody. It is a simple fact that we need to do something about this. However, there are issues with the other graphs you show.

I challenge anyone here to try to think of ten jobs that aren’t nurse, teacher or secretary that if someone were to say to you, you would immediately picture a women in the role (gendered names like actress or businesswoman don’t count). Then do the same for men. People like to go on about how women don’t ever sign up for these jobs, but like it or not, these gender stereotypes have an impact on people. You make a point about women not being in the army and dying in conflicts, but I can almost guarantee you that when you first made that original list (assuming you were even able to, which I highly doubt) soldier was not among the jobs you came up with. Neither, I would imagine, did any of the jobs you would associate with having high rates of industrial accidents.

As men, we have always had the advantage of feeling like there is no job we could not take on account of gender, or at least not feel like we would be going against the grain in doing so (I’m sure nobody here is in the dark as to the sheer power of peer pressure). Having had this perspective all our lives, we simply cannot perceive what it like to not have that assumption that we can do anything and not feel weird about it. So while you can say that they shouldn’t feel constrained at all by these things, you genuinely have no idea what it’s like to be like that because for your entire life you’ve needed to.

Like I said, these gender stereotypes have power, and things are only going to get worse if they are left. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when women are dissuaded from these menial tasks, because it reinforces the stereotype that they don’t have that role and makes it even harder for them to break in. And when women are excluded from certain workplaces, it can lead to other sexist stereotypes appearing there that make the prospect even more unappealing. Just picture your stereotypical “builder’s mag” - if you were a woman, would you really want to work in an environment where that sort of thing was rife? Yes, you can go on about how men are on average stronger than women, but I’d wager there are plenty of women better equipped for these jobs than any of us, and until the proportions of employment based in gender reflect that, I don’t think you can claim it’s not an issue.

As for the homicide graph, as much as anything this comes down to society’s views of masculinity and femininity and their extremes (these views are also what cause the extreme mental health problems prevalent in men). To be “masculine” according to our society is to be assertive, dominant, boisterous and not afraid to back down from a fight. When taken to extremes, it can lead to bullying, assault and yes, homicides; it becomes toxic. Because masculinity is most often emphasised when alongside other men, it stands to reason that most of the victims of it would also be men. It also has the byproduct of making talking about feelings a stigma for men, producing the mental health problem.

Femininity is different however. While masculinity is meant to play up everything dominant, femininity is instead all about being a submissive as possible. To be feminine is to be girly, cute, submissive and unthreatening. As a result, when taken to its logical extremes, femininity doesn’t really cause harm to others as it’s whole purpose is to remove that possibility. As such, toxic femininity doesn’t exist (or at least isn’t toxic to anyone other than the person taking it to the extreme). That isn’t to say that toxic women don’t exist or that there are fewer of them than toxic men - there are plenty and equal numbers of both. But the act of being feminine - society’s ideal woman, doesn’t lead to the same problems as the male one does - certainly not as many homicides.

Whatever your perspective on it though, I think it’s safe to say ditching these stereotypes is in the interests of everyone, both male and female. It prevents people from feeling cut out of jobs, pressured into adopting traits that are harmful to them and in some cases could well lead to fewer cases of homicides as the behaviours that lead to them are venerated less. Feminist or MRA, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for us all to work towards this

 

[Killer Angel]

I challenge anyone here to try to think of ten jobs that aren’t nurse, teacher or secretary that if someone were to say to you, you would immediately picture a women in the role (gendered names like actress or businesswoman don’t count). Then do the same for men. People like to go on about how women don’t ever sign up for these jobs, but like it or not, these gender stereotypes have an impact on people.

Gender stereotypes come from something that isn't necessarily gender-biased.
Sweden is probably one of the most advanced country in the continue development of an equal society with equal opportunities for all.
yet many studies say that swedish teens (the ones that grew in an open-minded country) still choose careers based on gender "roles".
Nurses are still mostly women and mechanical engineers are still mostly men.
You could say that's because teens still follow the gender stereotypes and that the goal is to level these differences.
Or you could say that, in the same way men and women do have phisical differences, they have psycological differences too.
Women tend to be more passionate, caring and show more empathy than men, so they tend towards jobs that exalt those qualities.

if you have a disparison in the percentage of men vs women in a certain field, doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't an equal opportunity.

 

[ravagekitteh]

if you have a disparison in the percentage of men vs women in a certain field, doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't an equal opportunity.

It doesn’t mean there isn’t equal opportunities, but if you are constantly being subconsciously taught that men are police officers and women are nurses, that’s bound to have an impact on. I would have though that Sweden is very good for having equal opportunities for both genders to pursue any roles, but I doubt even they are past the point of stereotyping and thus pushing different genders towards different roles

 

[Aginor]

Yeah even in Sweden they aren't quite there yet.
And that's without some of the factors the rest of the world has to fight with (cultural ones).

But then we have to keep in mind that this way of thinking is rather new. Give it another three generations and things might reach an acceptable standard.

 

[pendrake]

It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when women are dissuaded from these menial tasks, because it reinforces the stereotype that they don’t have that role and makes it even harder for them to break in. And when women are excluded from certain workplaces, it can lead to other sexist stereotypes appearing there that make the prospect even more unappealing. Just picture your stereotypical “builder’s mag” - if you were a woman, would you really want to work in an environment where that sort of thing was rife? Yes, you can go on about how men are on average stronger than women, but I’d wager there are plenty of women better equipped for these jobs than any of us

Several posts earlier, Somebody mentioned Plumber in a list of low paying, blue collar, “Man jobs”. As opposed to their other job list which college degrees and Office based.

Two points:

Plumbers can charge bucket tons of money, plumbers do charge tons of money, it is not a low paying job. (1)

There are not a lot of guys going into the plumbing trade. Finding a good plumber is incredibly difficult. Hiring one = stupid expensive.

No amount of well intentioned social engineering is ever going to see women signing up in droves to be plumbers. Plumbing is an example of a trade women are simply going to leave to men. And it will never matter how much it pays.

There are Always going to be trades and professions dominated by one gender or the other. (2) Always.

I am sure there is some trade that men are going to largely leave to women as well. The job of finishing and decorating another person’s finger nails (?) whatever that is called. That might be an example.

 

[pendrake]

Boko Haram, the group responsible for the mass abductions of the "Bring Back Our Girls" campaign intially killed all the men and boys and sent the girls home. They weren't getting enough notoriety (and the Boko Haram really want notoriety), so they started abducting girls. Suddenly they get more notoriety.

In a world where the Bond franchise needs an enemy that no one will be offended if Bond annilhilates them there’s the answer.

So are they paying 009, the female “Bond”, less money than 007 ?

****desperately searching for any connection to a Bond film****

Probably.
The pay gap exists for actors, IIRC only one (maybe it was two, I saw a list a few days ago) of the highest paid women would make it into the top 10 list if you throw the genders together.
Also: Daniel Craig is a well-known actor who probably earns a lot more in general. The person to follow him is basically a nobody I guess.

No, no, no, no I am talking the characters not the actors. Does every 00 agent get paid the same? Does 007 make more because he has more secrets to keep? More than a newly minted, female 008 ?

Is Daniel Craig in this next movie?

**** continues desperate effort to shove thread back to topic****

Gender stereotypes come from something that isn't necessarily gender-biased.

^ This ^

Gender based.

There are such things as tasks men would rather not do. There are such things as tasks women are more trusted to be doing.

 

[ravagekitteh]

In a world where the Bond franchise needs an enemy that no one will be offended if Bond annilhilates them there’s the answer.




No, no, no, no I am talking the characters not the actors. Does every 00 agent get paid the same? Does 007 make more because he has more secrets to keep? More than a newly minted, female 008 ?

Is Daniel Craig in this next movie?

**** continues desperate effort to shove thread back to topic****

^ This ^

Gender based.

There are such things as tasks men would rather not do. There are such things as tasks women are more trusted to be doing.

I don’t think this thread was really meant to be just about discussing the next Bond film - as much as anything I think it was more of a stepping stone to get onto other things, so don’t feel it has to stay on that particular line! If you like, I’ll change the name to the “Political discussion thread” to make things a bit clearer!

 

[Aginor]

No, no, no, no I am talking the characters not the actors. Does every 00 agent get paid the same? Does 007 make more because he has more secrets to keep? More than a newly minted, female 008 ?

Is Daniel Craig in this next movie?

Oh, OK.
Yeah I think Daniel Craig is in it ...

As for the payment:
IIRC we learn in one of the movies that Bond has a military rank, which was... Commander I think.
Although I am not sure if that is a former thing or a current one.

I am not sure how the payment is in the MI6 or its fictional counterpart, but judging by his lifestyle he is getting paid rather well.

I'd assume that all the double-zero agents are equally paid, and well paid. That's because they are the elite agents. If you aren't among the best of the best you don't become a double-zero agent.

 

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[NIGHTBRINGER]

I’m not quite sure what the point he’s trying to make is. Should Megan Rapinoe not call out the hypocrisy of the nomination? I think it would do people good to remember that oppressive people can still be nice to them personally, and to remember that they should still be called out for oppression anyway.

And the hypocrisy is there, assuming the statement that there is severe gender inequality in the hiring process is true (which the video itself does). In fact, I think we can use largely the same logic as you did with the gender pay gap.

The three possibilities:
1. There is sexism involved in the hiring process
2. Every single man given the job was objectively better than all female candidates for the role
3. The company is not interested in making money from its journalism.

As you did before, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to discount possibility three - it is a company after all. That leaves one and two. And number two, like the idea that Latino women are unable to do the job as well, is also absurd. That isn’t to say there aren’t plenty of men that could do the job better than there female candidates, but in that case the split would likely be 50-50, or at least near as dammit that the differences in employment would not be enough to make a point about. All that leaves us with is number one - something which I think we can all agree should be criticised and dealt with severely, regardless of whatever shiny medal the perpetrator might have just given you beforehand.

Did we watch the same video? The video says nothing about hiring processes or pay gaps. It was a tangent to the subject.

Shapiro's message in the video is that SI choose Megan Rapinoe as its athlete of the year, in part because of her politics, and they were immediately scolded by her anyways. He is ridiculing her for ripping on the very people who just gave her an awarding and simultaneously laughing at that fact that SI (a woke publication) got what they deserved for their SJW pandering.

"I only hope that Megan Rapinoe continues to do this. I hope she continues to wipe the floor with all of the SJW editors who worship at her alter and then come before her to kiss the ring and she immediately slaps them, backhands across their faces."

The video has nothing to do with how much the journalists are being paid or in what proportion men and women are being hired. I have no idea how you drew your conclusions. I award you no points. Re-watch the video.

 

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[pendrake]

Did we watch the same video? The video says nothing about hiring processes or pay gaps.

Maybe the two of you did not watch the same video.

Recently, YouTube has been playing the video it feels like playing rather than the one I actually tapped on.

I have encountered this behavior playing Old Rock Band music videos (nothing related to any of the politickety vids you guys are posting). But on that subject: watched none of them I have. [/yoda voice]

@Everyone :: if the video link has been posted raw with no preceding comment. I ignore them. By policy. I need to know how long it is, if there is nudity, foul language, or anything else that might dictate not playing it at certain times or in some venues.

I need a general idea what I am clicking on and how many minutes out of my life it will be if I watch it.

 

[pendrake]

Should I recognize her? Looks a bit like the evil queen from Snow White -?-Cinderella...the TV version....Once Upon A Time.

 

[ravagekitteh]

Did we watch the same video? The video says nothing about hiring processes or pay gaps. It was a tangent to the subject.

Shapiro's message in the video is that SI choose Megan Rapinoe as its athlete of the year, in part because of her politics, and they were immediately scolded by her anyways. He is ridiculing her for ripping on the very people who just gave her an awarding and simultaneously laughing at that fact that SI (a woke publication) got what they deserved for their SJW pandering.

"I only hope that Megan Rapinoe continues to do this. I hope she continues to wipe the floor with all of the SJW editors who worship at her alter and then come before her to kiss the ring and she immediately slaps them, backhands across their faces."

The video has nothing to do with how much the journalists are being paid or in what proportion men and women are being hired. I have no idea how you drew your conclusions. I award you no points. Re-watch the video.

What’s wrong with people pointing out hypocrisy where it’s present? The other part was me just explaining why they were being hypocritical, but in terms of the actual calling out, I fail to see the problem. We should all be willing to listen and take into account criticism; it’s just basic self improvement. Just because an arsehole is being nice to you personally doesn’t mean you should stop calling them out for being an arsehole.

 

[Killer Angel]

It doesn’t mean there isn’t equal opportunities, but if you are constantly being subconsciously taught that men are police officers and women are nurses, that’s bound to have an impact on. I would have though that Sweden is very good for having equal opportunities for both genders to pursue any roles, but I doubt even they are past the point of stereotyping and thus pushing different genders towards different roles

Yeah even in Sweden they aren't quite there yet.
And that's without some of the factors the rest of the world has to fight with (cultural ones).

But then we have to keep in mind that this way of thinking is rather new. Give it another three generations and things might reach an acceptable standard.

I don't think it will ever happen.

I could debate about Sweden, with the fact that those teens are educated by the same parents that are pushing their society and their laws toward total equality, so the cultural stereotypes should be very low, but i don't think this would be a really valid objection, as we are still heavily subjected to a global culture that still tends to put genders in preordined cultural schemes.

No, the reason i don't think it will ever happen, is because male and female are different.
Our bodies work in different ways, and also our minds do the same. Equal opportunities, even with no social prejudices, will still lead to different choices because of our inner differences.

You can wait a century, you're not going to have olympic games with a unique weight lifting contest, with men and women in the same cathegory.
You can wait a century, you are not going to see a 50% and 50% of men and women have a job as car mechanic, plumber, or nurse.

If you look at STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics), within those fields of study, barring some notable exception (mostly in chemistry), they are premanently "male".
While it's true that many factors contribute to develope the attitudes towards this kind of jobs (including prejudices, stereotypes and lack of models, i'll give you that), current meta-analysis proved that men prefer working with things and women prefer working with people, and a 2015 study (based on almost half a million data within 67 nations, from the Program for International Students) revealed the gender-equality paradox: the more gender equal societies are, the less equal they are in the choices men and women make with respect to STEM education and careers.

Equality is the goal, but equality won't have also conformity as a consequence.
(and, by reverse, lack of conformity doesn't necessarily mean lack of equality / same opportunities)





EDIT: wow, i remember @Scalenex telling how he would have liked to have constructive political and social debates here on Lustria. I think he should be satisfied.