8th Ed. Optimal Units Round-up! What's Hot and What's Not!

[Dreadgrass]

Hi All,

I've seen quite a few theories on what will and won't be good in 8th, so I thought it'd be good to form a thread to accumulate what everyones either tried of thought up. Hopefully, this could be a handy resource for starting players and experienced ones alike, helping us to think outside the box and collaborate towards the downfall of all the lesser races!

I might try and update this starting thread with peoples ideas to keep a running tally of what we come up with.

A few to get us started, taking from the example of The Herdstone, and to avoid GW copyright. All points values will be given in Cohort Skinks, so for example, if a unit cost the same as 10 Cohort Skinks,it will be recorded here as - 10CS (I don't think this value representation is against site protocol, but if it is please let me know via PM and I shall remove it):

SPECIAL UNITS
- 6 Krox (3x2) - 66CS:
1 Rank (so can break ranks), 18 S6 attacks, 3 S4 Stomp attacks, ASL, 4+ AS, T4

- 4 Krox (2x2) - 44CS:
Less hitty, less points. 12 S6 attacks, 2 S4 Stomp attacks, ASL, 4+ AS, T4

- 10 Temple Guard (5x2) - 32CS:
1 Rank (so can break ranks), 15 S5 attacks, WS4, 4+ AS, T4, command options.

- 18 Temple Guard with Standard, Musician (6x3) - 62CS:
2 Ranks (so can break ranks) + standard and Musician, 18 S5 attacks, WS4, 4+ AS, T4, command/ banner options.

 

[Walgis]

best combo would be 6+kroxigors with lore of life which give T. it basicaly makes a killing machine of kroxigors. its hard to kill them but they kill back quite strong

 

[Gor-rok]

Always striking last even when they charge is going to hurt these guys. I hit a 10 man Hand weapon & shield Chaos Warrior unit head on with 3x2 Krox, and my whole back rank got wiped out before they could attack. Lesson learned- against something hard like WoC, the Kroxigors still need to be a flanking unit, or have magical support.

 

[Dreadgrass]

I'm liking TempleGuard over Krox so far this edition (though I've always loved TG so I'm a little biased lol!),

To take the 2 above examples:

- 6 Krox (3x2) - 66CS:
1 Rank (so can break ranks), 18 S6 attacks, 3 S4 Stomp attacks, ASL, 4+ AS, T4

VS

- 18 Temple Guard with Standard, Musician (6x3) - 62CS:
2 Ranks (so can break ranks) + standard and Musician, 18 S5 attacks, WS4, 4+ AS, T4, command/ banner options.

Note, Quantity of wounds, attacks (except the stomps), save and Toughness are on par, both can break ranks though if the Krox lost 3 wounds or the TG lost 8 wounds that would be negated. Combat effectiveness (ie loss of attacks unable to be replaced with step up) begins when Krox take 3 wounds or TG take 7.

Krox advantages:

+1Strength, +3 S4 stomp attacks, Fear, slightly smaller frontage, +2 Movement

TG Advantages:

+1 rank, standard and musician, slightly cheaper or can take banner, WS4 (helps with defense and offence), I2 (so would strike before ASL, etc.), Shield (+1 save VS shooting), slann bonuses

 

[Walgis]

forgot the atacks number,
kroxigors do 18 S6 hits
TG only 15 S5 hits
this makes kroxigors killy.
but i tell you this everything needs lore of life becouse other way around it sucks, so TG unit gets nerfed becouse slann is going to be sitting there.

 

[Dreadgrass]

Actually, the point of 18 TG is to rank 6x3 so 18 attacks, same as 3x2 Krox. I was meaning this as a comparison of combat units on their own merits, so the slann was not factored in.

If however they have a slann you save the points cost of 4 TG and loose 2 S5 attacks to gain stubborn LD9 and likely a BSB, not to mention if the slann can conjure up some tasty weapon for himself and I presume he'll benefit from any buff put on the unit whilst he's in there (not sure if this changed in 8th) So character sniping a T8 slann with wardsave?

Also, Its entirely possible to fit 2 units of TG into a 2000pt list (I'm planning a fairly themed list) so you could have a bodyguard unit and a heavy hitter!