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8th Ed. Old World revamp

Padre said:
If they're smart they'll give us very nice, very pretty plastic models to play with that can double as alternate sculpts for Age of Sigmar.
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Fixed that for you, I’m not going to tolerate GW doing a Middle Earth and consigning most of the new releases to Forge World where they can give them the most horrendous prices. That would be the worst move they could make.
 
Surely they will have to change the rules to allow both square and round bases because we now have models that are on round bases that used to belong to WFB!

Also, I prefer round bases to everything that isn't line infantry so there's that. :cool:

Karak Norn Clansman said:
Something I'm very curious about, is whether Games Workshop will take the chance to delve into more areas of the Warhammer World. Albion, Vampire Coast or Cathay, for instance.
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Yeah I think it would be beyond awesome if they gave us some of the units that are specific to Total War Warhammer such as the Sacred Kroxigors, Ancient Salamanders and maybe release entire factions based off the game like Vampire Coast with their legendary lord especially Cylostra Direfin.

I'm kind of hesitant to buy third party now in case this happens... but it's also 3 years away so ...

Also I will cry if they release an official Lord Mazdamundi model after I've already painted up my kitbash one. XD
 
Oh_Man said:
and maybe release entire factions based off the game like Vampire Coast with their legendary lord especially Cylostra Direfin
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Certainly because GW have allowed CA to become more creative with the factions in the game, such as Vampire Coast, and that these new factions are as popular as the original ones from the previous editions, this could be the way GW could keep Warhammer: The Old World running, by releasing new factions like this in between updating existing ones.
 
I’m both concerned and interested about what this means for the Lizardmen. I’m only recently new to the hobby and lore, but with it being billed as a Horus Heresy-style look back at the World That Was and the legend making of those who would live in into AoS, it seems like it’d be set in the End Times which is... not characterized by a large lizardmen presence.

It’d be interesting to see what became of Kroak and how he ended up back in the stars as a relic priest, since that’s a loose end, but other than that I’m not sure what else they could go with, especially since slann are so iconic and basically entierly gone from the setting in that time period.

Maybe bring back the southlands lizardmen? Or Kroak warping the lizardmen survivors out of danger before the meteor hits, letting Nakai and Gor-Rok have a presence?

I guess it’s a long way off and they have a long time to think about it, but hopefully it’ll bring some fun new models and lore, something the lizardmen have sorely missed
 
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Togetic said:
It’d be interesting to see what became of Kroak and how he ended up back in the stars as a relic priest, since that’s a loose end, but other than that I’m not sure what else they could go with, especially since slann are so iconic and basically entierly gone from the setting in that time period.
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Yeah, last we heard of Lord Kroak:
Protected by his Shield of the Old Ones – an orb of serenity amidst the inferno – Lord Kroak ingurgitated the energies, using them to produce several protective force domes. Incongruously, the chunks of earth and jungle under each dome floated through the cataclysm, as Lord Kroak sent them up and beyond the horizon of the world. It was a last selfless act before he was consumed in the conflagration that raged over the sunken lands of Lustria.
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But when he was first destroyed at Itza he didn't actually need his body:
A dozen Bloodthirsters, protected by the favour of their dark god, fought through the deluge of spells and reached the top of the pyramid. There, they fell upon Lord Kroak’s form, ripping him apart in a savage instant. So overcharged with arcane energies was Lord Kroak that his spirit fought on, refusing to let even death hinder him. Set free of his flesh, Kroak’s radiant will soared above the ruins, scourging the invaders with a divine light that was like unto a second sun. The First City was saved.
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Maybe his spirit just found another dead Slann body and he hung around that??

Togetic said:
Maybe bring back the southlands lizardmen? Or Kroak warping the lizardmen survivors out of danger before the meteor hits, letting Nakai and Gor-Rok have a presence?
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You may be interested to know that Josh Reynolds, author of The Return of Nagash and The Lord of the End Times (first and final books in the End Times series, respectively), in a Q&A, did give some semi-canonical explanations for their fates:

https://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds/answers/126186297055
I assume [Gor-Rok] was fighting in defense of said city. The sad fact is, an almost-impossible-to-kill saurus isn't going to make much of a difference against millions of skaven.
That said, I like to imagine that Gor-Rok fought until he was buried beneath a scurrying tide and was forced to dig his way out of a mountain of corpses, just as the moon blew up. He gets crushed beneath a chunk of moon, and by the time he manages to chop his way out of the steaming moon-bits, everybody has either (a) died or (b) left. After the world blows up, the lizardmen probably retrieve him from the void, defrost him and shoot him into Skavenblight.

https://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds/answers/126198040031
Nakai was likely in that final battle as well. I like to imagine the Sacred Kroxigor bleeding out of the jungle and plowing into a unit of Stormfiends at a critical moment, perhaps allowing Gor-rok to launch a counter-attack against the skaven. Back to back, the two great warriors would fight on, buying time for their scaly kin and for the mage-priests to enact their final stratagem, until they are at last swarmed under by the scrabbling horde. A small moment, but a pivotal one within the wider tapestry of that final struggle.

https://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds/answers/126388044767
Morbus Sanguis died in Lustria, at the claws of Nakai the Wanderer. The sacred kroxigor succumbed to Sanguis' yellow death in the process.
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As part of the Legendary Lore Project I am working on for Total War Warhammer I wrote some lore snippets for their fate using Josh's comments as my inspiration.

The sky was awash with Warpstone meteors, their tainted energies bathing Itza with a sickly green glow. Gor-Rok roared in defiance at the onrushing Skaven army. With great sweeping blows his Shield of Aeons sent Clanrats flying through their air, their mangled, broken bodies splatting on the cobblestones far beneath the Bridge of Stars.

The Clawleaders, growing impatient as the bodies of Skaven began piling high on the bridge, sent in the Stormfiends. These grotesquely bemuscled rats towered high over their lesser brethren, and even higher than the Rat Ogres of Clan Moulder. These creatures were the ultimate and brutal combination of Clan Moulder's bio-engineering and Clan Skryre's sadistic techno-magic.

The beasts aimed at Gor-Rok with the Ratling Guns grafted into their flesh. Hundreds of warpstone bullets ricocheted off Gor-Rok's shield, cutting down Clanrats and Skavenslaves indiscriminately. Gor-Rok held firm, but was pinned down. The Stormfiends were slowly advancing. Soon they would get around his shield.

With a guttural roar that shook the leaves from the trees Nakai burst from the jungle, bounding across the bridge on all fours. Before the Stormfiends could bring their weapons around Nakai was upon them, slicing the arm off one while ripping the mewling Skaven Controller from the other. Gor-Rok joined his brother in combat, and the two stood back to back against the Skaven horde.

The reptilian warriors were soon buried in a mountain of Skaven corpses. Gor-Rok's gore-slicked body burst from the corpse pile, raging up at the sky as a warpstone meteor hurtled towards Itza. There the two legendary warriors finally met their end as Itza was wiped from the face of the earth in a massive Warpstone explosion.
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Nakai coughed up blood. His scales cracked and oozed. Death was surely close for the legendary fighter. He had slain one of the hated Arch-Plaguelords of Clan Pestilens, Morbus Sanguis, though at great cost. The Yellow Death was upon him. But Nakai could not – would not die, not now, not here. The fate of Itza – no, the world – was at stake. In the distance, barely visible through the densely packed trees, Nakai could see Gor-Rok fighting desperately against the vermintide. Two Stormfiends were steadily advancing towards the Great White Lizard.

With a guttural roar that shook the leaves from the trees Nakai burst from the jungle, bounding across the bridge on all fours. Before the Stormfiends could bring their weapons around Nakai was upon them, slicing the arm off one while ripping the mewling Skaven Controller from the other. Gor-Rok joined his brother in combat, and the two stood back to back against the Skaven horde.

The reptilian warriors were soon buried in a mountain of Skaven corpses. Nakai's gore-slicked body burst from the corpse pile, raging up at the sky as a Warpstone meteor hurtled towards Itza. There the two legendary warriors finally met their end as Itza was wiped from the face of the earth in a massive Warpstone explosion.
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Oh_Man said:
You may be interested to know that Josh Reynolds, author of The Return of Nagash and The Lord of the End Times (first and final books in the End Times series, respectively), in a Q&A, did give some semi-canonical explanations for their fates:
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well at least they arnt dead
 
@Oh_Man: Thanks for those Q&A snippets, it's really cool to hear what one of the authors actually thought about what might have happened to Gor-rok and Nakai. At least this leaves some possibility for them to have lived. I still would like to hear what happened to Kroq-Gar, since he was supposed to be in one of the protected areas of Lustria at the end, IIRC.
 
Kilvakar said:
@Oh_Man: Thanks for those Q&A snippets, it's really cool to hear what one of the authors actually thought about what might have happened to Gor-rok and Nakai. At least this leaves some possibility for them to have lived. I still would like to hear what happened to Kroq-Gar, since he was supposed to be in one of the protected areas of Lustria at the end, IIRC.
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It's heavily insinuated that Kroq-Gar survived because of the following passages in the End Times Thanquol book:

Even as he had slain Skrolk, a new message had reached Kroq-Gar. He was needed at the Obelisk of the Silver Stars within the hour.

Most skaven fled before Kroq-Gar, not daring to face the shimmering saurus. Those ratmen that attempted to block his path were slaughtered. Even so, the warleader realised he could never traverse the distance quickly enough. In answer to his blood-curdling roar, a carnosaur strode through the carnage of the plaza, crushing skaven beneath each clawed foot. Bulling its way through the press of combat, the blood-splattered beast bowed before Kroq-Gar, allowing him to mount its scaled back. In haste, they sped towards the distant monument.
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At dozens of sites all around Lustria, massive stone blocks that had not yet moved in ten thousand years were shifted. Words of command were spoken that had not been uttered since the days before the first elves, dwarfs or men walked the world. strange lights ran within the stonework pyramid-temple of Hexoatl, and a hitherto unknown ramp lowered from the Great Ziggurat of Tepok. Rumbling shook all around the Obelisk of Silver Stars in Itza. In the lonely jungle outposts of Chicxulubta, stone stairs opened amidst the overgrown ruins, leading to a long-buried structure.

Excitable skinks squawked and clicked, not knowing what to make of the situation. Certain of their kind - high priests or key attendants - were summoned to enter such edifices along with the slann mage-priests. The majority of the lizardmen, however, were left behind, the skinks' questions unanswered. All watched in amazement at what happened next.

First the stone monoliths spoke in voices of thunder. Then the bulky edificies rose, like great mountains pulling free of the ground. They would have blocked the sun, if it were not already covered by ominous overcast skies. The great pyramid-temples and stone ziggurats hovered for a moment, their true size revealed - for the majority of the vast structures had been hidden below the world's surface. Great clumps of earth fell from their underbellies. The roaring blast as they lifted off the ground flattened the surrounding jungle, sending onlookers scrambling for cover. Then, moving more quickly than any could have imagined, the stone monoliths flew up into the heavy clouds and were lost to sight.
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So I think we can safely assume he got to the Obelisk of Silver Stars which promptly took off into outer space. You may be also interested to know Tehenhauin and Oxyotl were last seen at Hexoatl so it's quite possible they made it too.

The Thanquol book also states that Tiktaq'to was at the Final Battle of Itza, and Josh Reynolds said semi-canonically that Nakai and Gor-Rok were also there. This means, based on the reading of this passage, the authors COULD, if they wanted, say that in fact all three of these named characters survived because of Lord Kroak's actions:

Protected by his Shield of the Old Ones – an orb of serenity amidst the inferno – Lord Kroak ingurgitated the energies, using them to produce several protective force domes. Incongruously, the chunks of earth and jungle under each dome floated through the cataclysm, as Lord Kroak sent them up and beyond the horizon of the world. It was a last selfless act before he was consumed in the conflagration that raged over the sunken lands of Lustria.
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Inside these domes could have been all our named characters, if the authors so chose, who were present at the final battle of Itza.

This leaves only two named characters unaccounted for: Tetto'eko, who was last seen fleeing Tlaxtlan with a few survivors, after deliberating destroying the city and all the Skaven attacking it with a meteor. And Chakax: who was list seen at Xlanhuapec, the City of Mists, defending his Slann charge against a Skaven assassin. He was stabbed with a weeping blade, but he is portrayed as having "shrugged it off" like, somehow, the weapon did minimal damage to him. Maybe he died off-page from this wound? Or maybe the pyramid-temple he was in took off, which means he's alive.

And only two named characters confirmed dead: Lord Mazdamundi, who perished from 'mental fatigue' after using magical powers to stop many warpstone meteors (more like giant continent-sized chunks of the green moon) and Lord Kroak whose dead body was "consumed in the conflagration" by the rest of the moon colliding with Lustria. But somehow he's still alive as a named character in Age of Sigmar so who knows.
 
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I assumed Kroq-Gar became the first of the sunbloods and was a direct reference to them (or... they were a direct reference to him and what he became in that book?) since they're described to look so similar, and Kroq-Gar definitely did some literally-made-of-magic feats after getting the upgrade.

It's always confused me a little that they never showed up in AoS since even dead seraphon heroes had justifications for being around, and the seraphon had(have) pretty much no new named characters of any note or personality anyway
 
Togetic said:
It's always confused me a little that they never showed up in AoS since even dead seraphon heroes had justifications for being around, and the seraphon had(have) pretty much no new named characters of any note or personality anyway
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I personally think it's because when AoS come out, they were thinking of going with the idea that the Slann were the only survivors, and that all the Seraphon soldiers and monsters seen in battle were just their mental magical constructs. But as things have fleshed out a little bit, we have confirmation that the shielded portions of Lustria did in fact survive, and that the temple-ships still have spawning pools. So I see no reason that they couldn't bring back a lot of the old heroes.
 
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