AoS NEW *rumor*

[xoid]

But it does, the new rule says you must remove models, one at a time, until the unit is back in cohesion.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

1) That only works with skinks and their tiny base. Stuff like saurus can't pull this off with their bigger bases

why on earth are you trying to screen with saurus?

2) It's still problematic if your losses happen an an inconvenient manner to multiple attacks. E.g. Lose 2 models during shooting, then lose an additional 1in melee (more of a concern for units with better stats than it is for skinks)

again why are you screening with saurus? they aren't ment for that. guard and knights don't care they are both 5 or less and nothing else in the book can be used as a screen.

3) It still means you cover significantly less ground with an MSU of skinks. Going from a line with 10 models with 0.98" bases with 9 1" gaps between them to just 8 models with 0.98" bases and no gaps. That's still a pretty major cut-back.

margenaly yes but onlu by about 2" in a 8-15" line so what ever

4) A honeycombed rank still allows the line to be slightly longer, as it allows the use of 5 models and 4 gaps in the frontline, plus a model in the backline and part of its gap (though even this is a significant reduction compared to the original 20" we could almost reach)

in what way is a 10" double line longer then a 16" one? and thats if you do the dumb thing and streack them so far apart you can let modles walk beetween them. otherwise it's a 5-6" to a 9" line

 

[Erta Wanderer]

But it does, the new rule says you must remove models, one at a time, until the unit is back in cohesion.

i stand corrected you only remove them until you have 5 left which in a 10 man screen means you aren't loosing much

 

[Killer Angel]

i stand corrected you only remove them until you have 5 left which in a 10 man screen means you aren't loosing much

Well, you need just to lose a couple of wounds in the shooting phase to lose 5 models and free a gap for the following charge.
There's no doubt that from now on the screen units will be deployed in a more tight formation.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

Well, you need just to lose a couple of wounds in the shooting phase to lose 5 models and free a gap for the following charge.
There's no doubt that from now on the screen units will be deployed in a more tight formation.

mmm yes but if a skink unit gets tags it's uncommon for them to have more then 6 units left. they just aren't very durable

 

[Skained]

Wow the new arcane bolt, nagash can make 8 MW in one phase or 8d3 if he charge. I have doubt if we can use vassal to this

 

[Erta Wanderer]

Wow the new arcane bolt, nagash can make 8 MW every phase or d3 if he charge. I have doubt if we can use vassal to this

in a phase not every. good lord that would be horrifying. it does need a erata for skink priests

 

[Skained]

true, my mistake

 

[Canas]

why on earth are you trying to screen with saurus?

There's factions who only have saurus-sized screens....

Plus, it holds more in general that it makes a saurus-sized unit of 10 models awkward to use.

margenaly yes but onlu by about 2" in a 8-15" line so what ever

You go from a line that's a maximum of 19", and minimum of 9.8" currently to an absolute max of 7.2" when using the traingle capped shoulder to shoulder approach. How is that a marginal difference?

in what way is a 10" double line longer then a 16" one?

I meant that the honeycombed screen can be longer than the triangle capped method...

mmm yes but if a skink unit gets tags it's uncommon for them to have more then 6 units left. they just aren't very durable

Skinks aren't the only screens in the game. There's sturdier stuff that will frequently be left with 7-ish units. Plus with MSU becoming more common low damage will also be more common.

Wow the new arcane bolt, nagash can make 8 MW every phase or d3 if he charge. I have doubt if we can use vassal to this

I like the idea of casting in other phases. Though making arcane bolt a short ranged nuke of all things is eh.. odd? Wizards don't exactly want to get close to things...

 

[Erta Wanderer]

There's factions who only have saurus-sized screens....

stormcast(who are getting a new book soon so to soon to judge) OBR(who don't use screens) IDK (who don't use screens) fyre slayers(who also don't use screens and if they did they are all min size 5 so it doesn't matter) and IJ.(who also don't use screens and if they did they are all min size 5 so it doesn't matter) oh and i guess sons but they don't care about coherency.
every one else has small cheep units

Plus, it holds more in general that it makes a saurus-sized unit of 10 models awkward to use.

why would you even take a 10 man saurus unit? they don't work in anything less then 20s

You go from a line that's a maximum of 19", and minimum of 9.8" currently to an absolute max of 7.2" when using the traingle capped shoulder to shoulder approach. How is that a marginal difference?

um what? no 7.2" is NOT the max you can still put distance between models it's just a risk and if you are having them stand shoulder to shoulder the caps are pointless so you are just back to having a 9.8"

I meant that the honeycombed screen can be longer than the triangle capped method...

Really? how?

Skinks aren't the only screens in the game. There's sturdier stuff that will frequently be left with 7-ish units. Plus with MSU becoming more common low damage will also be more common.

yes there is sturdier stuff but those aren't the things you use for screens a few people get hit like SCE but for the most part people have cheep disposable and fragile units that they use for this roll.

 

[Tombomb7]

Can we stomp and Arcane bolt with the Trogolodon for 2D3 MWs plus fire off all our Slann/Kroaks spells through the Trog now?

 

[Jason839]

Can we stomp and Arcane bolt with the Trogolodon for 2D3 MWs plus fire off all our Slann/Kroaks spells through the Trog now?

should be able to. But again you wouldnt want to do that. While the new monster rules are nice and make trog worth his points now, hes still not a combat monster. You dont want to get him in combat with anything decent or he will die. hes best bullying screening units

 

[Dread Saurian]

Can we stomp and Arcane bolt with the Trogolodon for 2D3 MWs plus fire off all our Slann/Kroaks spells through the Trog now?

do yourself a solid favor and dont get the trog into combat my man. you need it to be your vessel for spells. cast spells through it and spew that acid. the monster abilities are better on stegs carnos bastis and dreads

 

[ArtoriusaurusRex]

Is there any reason to think that they are adjusting minimum unit sizes?

Perhaps to be more in line with how they sell a given box of models?

 

[Carnikang]

Is there any reason to think that they are adjusting minimum unit sizes?

Perhaps to be more in line with how they sell a given box of models?

Possibility, as all Min and Max unit sizes are listed in Tomes, not on Scrolls.

We will just have to wait and see on that front. The first day FAQs and Erratas for all current publishings is going to be the real meat of what's getting nerfed or buffed by the new ruleset.

I'm waiting on whoever has a full copy of the Rules to post a document of it online. Someone always does, and it'll give a clearer picture to bitch about.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

Is there any reason to think that they are adjusting minimum unit sizes?

Perhaps to be more in line with how they sell a given box of models?

I'm most definitely think, that they will do this. I want to see minimum size of warriors and skinks of 20. That way, it will only cost 1 reinforcement point to up them to 40, which is fair.

 

[ArtoriusaurusRex]

I'm most definitely think, that they will do this. I want to see minimum size of warriors and skinks of 20. That way, it will only cost 1 reinforcement point to up them to 40, which is fair.

The thing that might keep them from considering this is that our Start Collecting boxes only come with 12 Saurus Warriors or 12 Skinks.

 

[Egres]

The thing that might keep them from considering this is that our Start Collecting boxes only come with 12 Saurus Warriors or 12 Skinks.

12-24-36?!

 

[Kilvakar]

Meh, the SC starting troop numbers are still often based on the old sprue molds that have been in use since the Fantasy days, and that hasn't stopped them from making most troop units go up in increments of 10. If they do change it so that most infantry starts in MSU of 20 that will go a long way to alleviate the apparent kick in the balls to melee troops and screens that the current reinforcement and coherency rules are looking like.

While I'm definitely not the biggest fan of the current reveals for the 3e rules, I can really see that it's going to be an entirely different game, not the same game with some balance changes. I hope that they are at least comprehensive with the initial FAQs, because we know how long it takes GW to get updated rulebooks for their least favorite factions. I REALLY hope that they at least put the brakes on new army releases for a while and focus on battletome updates, but that's probably hoping for too much, lol!

 

[Dread Saurian]

Ima learn 3e but I'm gonna complain about it