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AoS New Kroak - Arcane Vassal & Celestial Deliverance Interaction

I'm expecting the Trog to get better since they mentioned that monsters are going to get more things that they can do. So if all monsters are getting a buff I've got my fingers crossed for the Troglodon. Also, It's one of my better paint jobs so I look for excuses to field it.
 
TheDireOne said:
Kroak + 1 unit of T̶e̶m̶p̶l̶e̶ Saurus Guard is already 530 points. Taking an Oracle means I can place him to one side of the board and put the Oracle on the other side effectively giving Kroak a threat bubble on both sides of the board. Unfortunately I think at 750 points for a single combo means the whole list needs to be tailored to that strategy.
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I dont do very well when I build around a certain combo, but I tend to do very well when I include combos that synergize with what my list wants to do.

For example, I like to dominate the magic phase, getting all my spells and buffs off, while denying that to my opponent. Its a really powerful and successful strategy. Lists that focus on that playstyle, tend to be very hero heavy. To make up for that, i rely heavily on summoning to give me the bodies I need. In a list like that, I might bring kroak and oracle together, not to build around the arcane vassle combo, but because they both have board wide denies and generate summoning points. Things my list wants to do already. So its not a 750 pt combo, its just 750 pts of my 2000 pt magic dominant/summoning list, that just happens to have the option of sometimes being a combo. I hope that makes sense.
 
The trog is gonna probably get a spike of love from the community for a few months before people go try other things.
 
Putzfrau said:
I liked oracle just to maximize Kroak's threat range and free him up for fun teleporting shenanigans with Draco's tail. I found the second slann to always feel a little wasted, there just wasn't enough spells I wanted to cast to really get the most out of him. And the extra CP (in dracos at least) felt a little unneeded.

I think that's the beauty of the book tho, not a whole lot of bad choices :)
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Agreed. The book has a lot of viability. I normally feel as though the Slann has enough to do, CCP, Comet's Call, and either Arcane Bolt or Stellar Tempest. And turn one it cast Geminids which Kroak cast BWV.
 
I just hope the Trog doesn't go up in points as a result of the "monster buffs" incoming for 3rd edition. Some of the monsters in the recent books have seemed oddly expensive (nagash, Kragnos) and I wonder if that's due to incoming monster buffs. If the trog goes up then I doubt it can be considered since it's already not a combat piece so I doubt monstrous buffs will help it
 
Tyranitar said:
I just hope the Trog doesn't go up in points as a result of the "monster buffs" incoming for 3rd edition. Some of the monsters in the recent books have seemed oddly expensive (nagash, Kragnos) and I wonder if that's due to incoming monster buffs. If the trog goes up then I doubt it can be considered since it's already not a combat piece so I doubt monstrous buffs will help it
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I too would like more things to go with my massive cost give me a howdah with skinks God damnit
 
Tyranitar said:
I just hope the Trog doesn't go up in points as a result of the "monster buffs" incoming for 3rd edition. Some of the monsters in the recent books have seemed oddly expensive (nagash, Kragnos) and I wonder if that's due to incoming monster buffs. If the trog goes up then I doubt it can be considered since it's already not a combat piece so I doubt monstrous buffs will help it
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Sadly Im expecting it. They finally gave Alarielle enough buffs to make her worth her 600pt price tag, and then decided to raise her to 740 and make her unplayable again.
 
TheDireOne said:
I'm expecting the Trog to get better since they mentioned that monsters are going to get more things that they can do. So if all monsters are getting a buff I've got my fingers crossed for the Troglodon. Also, It's one of my better paint jobs so I look for excuses to field it.
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If all Monsters get a buff then there should just one single Modell in the head of everybody:
DREAD SAURIAN!!!!!! :eek::eek:
 
Vexcor said:
If all Monsters get a buff then there should just one single Modell in the head of everybody:
DREAD SAURIAN!!!!!! :eek::eek:
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it would have to be a very substantial buff. the dreads problem has never been power
 
Carnikang said:
The bracketing and not having any secondary defenses really hurts it. It could also use some adjustments to the attack profiles though...
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Ignorable if you have cp to use realm of ghur to fight at the top bracket. But God damnit give me a better hit and rend characteristic on my bite.
 
Dread Saurian said:
Ignorable if you have cp to use realm of ghur to fight at the top bracket. But God damnit give me a better hit and rend characteristic on my bite.
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I think I would rather have a better save and an inbuilt FNP on a beast said to hunt dragons.

As for the Ghurish Command Ability .... Never used it, since my local meta doesn't use Realms regularly. Too much bloat in my opinion.
 
Carnikang said:
I think I would rather have a better save and an inbuilt FNP on a beast said to hunt dragons.

As for the Ghurish Command Ability .... Never used it, since my local meta doesn't use Realms regularly. Too much bloat in my opinion.
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Ahh I guess it makes some sort of sense of the line of the Bite is so devastating that even the armored plates on a dragon can't resist. I do hope "monster updates" pan out
 
Its funny, but I dont feel like dread needs anything at the moment. I play him a lot and hes always a terror, and even 40 sentinel bows shooting him for 5 turns couldnt take him out. You have to build your army around him to get the most out of him, but I think its ok to have that style of army in your faction. Shakes things up. Hopefully his price stays around the same. Otherwise the list wont be able to take the necessary support and then hell be in trouble.
 
Jason839 said:
Its funny, but I dont feel like dread needs anything at the moment. I play him a lot and hes always a terror, and even 40 sentinel bows shooting him for 5 turns couldnt take him out. You have to build your army around him to get the most out of him, but I think its ok to have that style of army in your faction. Shakes things up. Hopefully his price stays around the same. Otherwise the list wont be able to take the necessary support and then hell be in trouble.
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I'm a sponge that is a terror to Chaffee and near suicidal for heroes to charge into but for some dumb reason my jaws rend characteristic is -2
 
Can you explain me the interaction between arcane vassal and the AB does he have to be near kroak or near the skink wizard for the range extension?
 
ChameleonGnom said:
Can you explain me the interaction between arcane vassal and the AB does he have to be near kroak or near the skink wizard for the range extension?
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Kroak is doing the casting, it is then cast and measured from the skink wizard. The AB would need to be within 12 of Kroak for any of it's effects to take place.
 
Since the new Kroak model is 18 wounds this means we have lost the ability to use the Balewind Vortex to increase the range of Celestial Deliverance.



Where it is written that Kroak cannot use the Balewind Vortex?
 
gliiip said:
Since the new Kroak model is 18 wounds this means we have lost the ability to use the Balewind Vortex to increase the range of Celestial Deliverance.



Where it is written that Kroak cannot use the Balewind Vortex?
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well for one Balewind isn't in the game any more.
for two in the balewind warscroll it says wizards with a wound characteristic of 9 or more, that are a part of a unit of two or more, or that are already on a balewind can not attempt to cast this spell
 
But we still have it in the codex and there is nothing written about wound 9 or more. So if I take it according to the codex, there is nothing stopping us from using it.
 
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