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AoS New Battletome, New List Archetypes

Acehilator said:
On another note, anybody got any ideas on how to build a Saurus list? I'm coming up empty. Suxx so bad that a Slann is mandatory (without Empowered Celestite, Warriors are not going to function I feel).
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Koatl's
Scar vet on a carnasaur: general with vengeful defender,tuskhelm,leadership of alpha
Slann: with telepathic summons
Astrolith Bearer

20x Warriors
6x Lancers
6x Lancers

Umbral Spell portal
seems like a one drop smasher, carnasaur moves20" aggrodons move 16" warriors go wherever you want
 
Only GALLETIAN CHAMPIONS can take the Tuskhelm and Leadership of the Alpha
 
Doons said:
Koatl's
Scar vet on a carnasaur: general with vengeful defender,tuskhelm,leadership of alpha
Slann: with telepathic summons
Astrolith Bearer

20x Warriors
6x Lancers
6x Lancers

Umbral Spell portal
seems like a one drop smasher, carnasaur moves20" aggrodons move 16" warriors go wherever you want
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i will try at least a pack of 6x Aggrodons in a Koatl List. interested in how much carnage they can make
 
Doons said:
Koatl's
Scar vet on a carnasaur: general with vengeful defender,tuskhelm,leadership of alpha
Slann: with telepathic summons
Astrolith Bearer

20x Warriors
6x Lancers
6x Lancers

Umbral Spell portal
seems like a one drop smasher, carnasaur moves20" aggrodons move 16" warriors go wherever you want
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What are you doing with the Slan after jumping a unit? He will be quite lonely then.
 
I would be tempted to drop a unit chargers and add in 3 sets of terrawings. (Or a unit of guard and one msu terrawing unit). You could leave the lancers as a 6 man and a 3 man, double reinforce it, or split it up into 3 msu units. Basically, it might not be a bad idea to be able to gum up the board a little while that big block of warriors get to work.
 
VikingRage said:
I would be tempted to drop a unit chargers and add in 3 sets of terrawings. (Or a unit of guard and one msu terrawing unit). You could leave the lancers as a 6 man and a 3 man, double reinforce it, or split it up into 3 msu units. Basically, it might not be a bad idea to be able to gum up the board a little while that big block of warriors get to work.
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yes i think you're off to find some gumball points thank you!
 
Terrawings? I'd rather take Hunters or regular Skinks for that.
 
Generally I would agree, but it's really tight on points. I will admit that I like having a lot of units to move around on the board to screen or create stubbling blocks with. I also play with a lot of terrain in my meta.

But it shakes out to 1990 with 3 terrawing units, 1995 with 1 skink + 2 terra, or 2k even if you swap the skinks for hunters with bolas.

I like the terrawings because they can fly, and it is relatively easy to hide them behind terrain to screen out your board against opposing DStrikes.

With this list's goal and abusing the Coalesced spell until it gets FAQ'd (it will, so keep that in mind), you could literally hide the Slann in a corner behind the Realmshaper (new Slann has an 80mm base, just measured it) and still teleport that block of warriors just about anywhere on the board still. Screening it out is much easier than it could be otherwise.
 
PJetski said:
The speed difference is not as relevant as you think, since both units will want to use the hero phase move and then run6 and charge (with a spell). 16" move is more than enough in this season.
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Getting heavenly frenzy off reliably has been hard. 7 to cast with only a +1. I think aggradons will have a place as a pinning unit that just needs vengeful defender + its regular move to threaten on most plans.
 
Ok so silly question as I've never encountered this situation before . I've been turning pages like a 1990's choose your own adventure story and not finding my answer(probably old man brain farts, watch out kids it happens faster than you realize). Does a 2+ to hit natural modified to 1 say all out attack auto hit or are 1+ to hit not allowed. Reason being is I'm seeing Chotecs second ranged option Stream of fire with 12" range/2+tohit and thinking OldBlood on Carnasaur squad(multiple artillery units) of Spawn of chotec, Draco Tail drop right before another planned attack. If your only rolling 3+ to wound at -2 rend seems like good numbers to shave wounds before the clean up crew.

My paper cut fingers and blurry vision thank you in advance.
 
Doons said:
Ok so silly question as I've never encountered this situation before . I've been turning pages like a 1990's choose your own adventure story and not finding my answer(probably old man brain farts, watch out kids it happens faster than you realize). Does a 2+ to hit natural modified to 1 say all out attack auto hit or are 1+ to hit not allowed. Reason being is I'm seeing Chotecs second ranged option Stream of fire with 12" range/2+tohit and thinking OldBlood on Carnasaur squad(multiple artillery units) of Spawn of chotec, Draco Tail drop right before another planned attack. If your only rolling 3+ to wound at -2 rend seems like good numbers to shave wounds before the clean up crew.

My paper cut fingers and blurry vision thank you in advance.
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Nah, that's a good question. A couple things are relevant and need to be kept in mind. To answer your question simply, rolling a 1 will always be an autofail, and rolling a 6 will always be an autohit. Having an extra +1 to hit on a 2+ helps protect against an opponent's debuffs if they can dish out a -1 to hit on your unit.

Not directly related to your question, but at least connected, I want to reinforce that you can never benefit from more than a +1 or a -1 to hit on your attacks from buffs.

Cheers!
 
VikingRage said:
Nah, that's a good question. A couple things are relevant and need to be kept in mind. To answer your question simply, rolling a 1 will always be an autofail, and rolling a 6 will always be an autohit. Having an extra +1 to hit on a 2+ helps protect against an opponent's debuffs if they can dish out a -1 to hit on your unit.

Not directly related to your question, but at least connected, I want to reinforce that you can never benefit from more than a +1 or a -1 to hit on your attacks from buffs.

Cheers!
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Thanks I kind of knew the answer(autofail 1's) just needed confirmation + just saved 285 points because its still a great profile in tandem with auxillery attacks from a charge.....and its fairly cheap, large foot print, 8 wounds is not too shabby either
 
Acehilator said:
Thinking about the Starseer too. It's better value than the Starpriest if you don't have a good target unit for Serpent Staff, and in most Starborn lists you won't have such a unit.
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The Raptadon Chargers are an okay target for the Serpent Staff, with their 31 attacks. But I tend to lean Starseer as well with his two casts and excellent warscroll spell and ability.
 
VikingRage said:
I am actually also tossing around a list that spams Scar-Vets on Aggradons to proc their warscroll ability for increased damage after getting a pile of Cav stuck in for a turn.
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The Scar-Vet on Aggradon's Alpha Roar ability is written in a way that I think means you can only use the ability once per game, even if you have multiple Scar-Vets on Aggradon. It says:

"Once per battle, at the start of your combat phase, you can pick 1 friendly unit with this ability on the battlefield to unleash a feral roar. If you do so, increase the rage score of friendly Aggradon units wholly within 18" of that unit by 1 (to a maximum of 3)."

The "Once per battle" seems to be for activating the ability across all units.
 
Vallis said:
The Scar-Vet on Aggradon's Alpha Roar ability is written in a way that I think means you can only use the ability once per game, even if you have multiple Scar-Vets on Aggradon. It says:

"Once per battle, at the start of your combat phase, you can pick 1 friendly unit with this ability on the battlefield to unleash a feral roar. If you do so, increase the rage score of friendly Aggradon units wholly within 18" of that unit by 1 (to a maximum of 3)."

The "Once per battle" seems to be for activating the ability across all units.
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That's how I read it as well
 
Vallis said:
The Scar-Vet on Aggradon's Alpha Roar ability is written in a way that I think means you can only use the ability once per game, even if you have multiple Scar-Vets on Aggradon. It says:

"Once per battle, at the start of your combat phase, you can pick 1 friendly unit with this ability on the battlefield to unleash a feral roar. If you do so, increase the rage score of friendly Aggradon units wholly within 18" of that unit by 1 (to a maximum of 3)."

The "Once per battle" seems to be for activating the ability across all units.
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Well, that's a more accurate interpretation of the rules than the hype addled version I came up with at 2 in the morning,:facepalm:.

It solidly puts Aggradons in the "they're okay" pile for me. I do wish that they would just downtick a level when caught outta combat, but I haven't playtested a list with them yet either.
 
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