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AoS My take on 2K Thunderlizard

Jason839
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Jason839

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Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Thunder Lizard

Leaders
Engine of the Gods (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Prime Warbeast
- Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

Units
3 x Salamander Hunting Pack (330)

Behemoths
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 107

Lots of TL lists I see are focused on taking lots of monsters and using Stegadons as battleline. I feel the reason to take TL is the command ability. So i focused on optimizing that.

Engine of the Gods is in the list for summoning potential. Coalesced has always felt weak to me when I played it, because late game you just dont have enough bodies. In this list the engine has been a big help in circumventing this weakness. I always use a CP on the engine every turn to activate it twice. That chance to summon is that important, and frankly, the shooting in the list is good enough that sometimes you dont need to shoot twice.

Kroak over slann for the 3 dice for command points. Seriously. Celestial deliverance is a nice bonus, but in coalesced without teleports the kroaknado isnt as strong. This list wants command points, so thats why I take him.

Hand of glory starpriest. saves me a cp on rerolls with its spell. also has a shot at generating cp.

Rest of the list is pretty straight forward. Double bastiladons for shooting and redundancy. sometimes you roll high on cp generatikn and get to double tap both of them and melt things. They are solid. Salamanders because they are awesome, and I felt the list needed a counter charge threat. Purple sun over Geminids because hordes are a problem for lists like this.

I have been having a lot of fun with this one. Its solid and performs well.
 
Jason839 said:
Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Thunder Lizard

Leaders
Engine of the Gods (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Prime Warbeast
- Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

Units
3 x Salamander Hunting Pack (330)

Behemoths
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 107

Lots of TL lists I see are focused on taking lots of monsters and using Stegadons as battleline. I feel the reason to take TL is the command ability. So i focused on optimizing that.

Engine of the Gods is in the list for summoning potential. Coalesced has always felt weak to me when I played it, because late game you just dont have enough bodies. In this list the engine has been a big help in circumventing this weakness. I always use a CP on the engine every turn to activate it twice. That chance to summon is that important, and frankly, the shooting in the list is good enough that sometimes you dont need to shoot twice.

Kroak over slann for the 3 dice for command points. Seriously. Celestial deliverance is a nice bonus, but in coalesced without teleports the kroaknado isnt as strong. This list wants command points, so thats why I take him.

Hand of glory starpriest. saves me a cp on rerolls with its spell. also has a shot at generating cp.

Rest of the list is pretty straight forward. Double bastiladons for shooting and redundancy. sometimes you roll high on cp generatikn and get to double tap both of them and melt things. They are solid. Salamanders because they are awesome, and I felt the list needed a counter charge threat. Purple sun over Geminids because hordes are a problem for lists like this.

I have been having a lot of fun with this one. Its solid and performs well.
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I am definitely a fan of lists like this, and have played some very similar ones. Personally, i think you're spot on when you say having bodies towards the end of the game will be an issue and its for that reason i like to have 1 unit of 40 (whether saurus or skinks) in there just to have something that can take a bit of that oomph. I was running 3 min skink units and was consistently find that to be a pretty big issue against certain matchups.

I think if you're leaning in on the bastis i'd also find a way to get a skink priest in there and make him your general for master of sky rituals. If you want the TL CA to really be the meat and potatoes of the list, I'd trim the kroaknado back and see if that can't help add some of those other pieces.

Just my two cents :) I think its already a super powerful list, you really can't go wrong with kroaknado and double tappin bastis.
 
Jason839 said:
Thats a good point, I probably could cut the kroaknado down to free up some space.
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I've also been trying to get into the habit of not having it in every list, just on the off chance it gets nerfed into oblivion. It's still obviously in most of my tournament lists, but if i'm just trying stuff out i'm generally trying out kroak-less stuff. He's just so good I don't want it to warp my impression of the rest of the units.

I also just think Kroak without his usually tagalongs is pretty powerful in its own right. 3 CP is obviously monster and he's still sitting on 4 global unbinds.
 
Its a habit for sure, and in this list it probably wont be needed. Coalesced cannot afford to be stationary without teleports, and so kroak will be moving every turn anyways. I also like the skink priest suggestion. I forgot that he could use his command abulity for free if he was the general and you took the rituals trait. Thats pretty sweet for this list!
 
Jason839 said:
Its a habit for sure, and in this list it probably wont be needed. Coalesced cannot afford to be stationary without teleports, and so kroak will be moving every turn anyways. I also like the skink priest suggestion. I forgot that he could use his command abulity for free if he was the general and you took the rituals trait. Thats pretty sweet for this list!
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Totally! It helps you keep the CPs for double tapping as well, having a free +1 to hit every turn on one of them is super clutch. Can even sneak a burning head in their for reroll 1's but i've found that to be a little clunky to move around and such.
 
I think ill try this version next. loses the bearer and the balewind but gainst priest and another guard unit. If i play kroak more forward with the extra guard unit the bearer range buff wont be too big a loss.

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Thunder Lizard

Leaders
Skink Priest (70)
- General
- Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Engine of the Gods (260)
- Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Hand of Glory

Battleline
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
5 x Saurus Guard (100)

Units
3 x Salamander Hunting Pack (330)

Behemoths
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Bound Purple Sun of Shyish (60)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 115
 
Question, to whom are you going to use the Skink Priest CA? And Starpriest Staff?

Also, it looks like you bought a Battalion but the points aren't in place (EotG, Sallys and Bastis). Also, a burning head on Bastis is the best you can do,instead of casting Hand of Glory on them.
 
NecridHydra said:
Question, to whom are you going to use the Skink Priest CA? And Starpriest Staff?

Also, it looks like you bought a Battalion but the points aren't in place (EotG, Sallys and Bastis). Also, a burning head on Bastis is the best you can do,instead of casting Hand of Glory on them.
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Hi! I did pretty much bring Thunderquake without the battalion! The reason for this is I feel like the models are strong, but the Thunderquake Templehost is not. I do not need an extra artifact for this list and 150 is too expensive for an extra cp and a few less drops. So I went without it.

As for burning head, if this was a starborne list I would totally take bound burning head. But since this is coalesced, I feel like I need to be moving everyturn. This makes burning head a bit clumsy to use. Hand of glory and the skink priest CA, can almost do as well as burning head, but have longer ranges and are easier to move around.

As for who is getting buffed? Well I dont have an answer really. It depends on the game state. I usually try to buff the bastiladons so thst one is hitting on 3+ and the other is rerolling ones. If the salamanders are going to shoot and charge something, ill put hand on them. Sometimes ive put it all on the same unit, If i really want to make sure something dies. Just depends on what feels correct as I play.
 
The salamanders have been ok? Bravery 5 seems like a bit of a liability
 
Tyranitar said:
The salamanders have been ok? Bravery 5 seems like a bit of a liability
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Yep. So far so good. The bravery issue hasn't really come up much. I use them as a second line counter charge kind of unit. They pretty much either die in combat or don't get touched at all.
 
Jason839 said:
Hi! I did pretty much bring Thunderquake without the battalion! The reason for this is I feel like the models are strong, but the Thunderquake Templehost is not. I do not need an extra artifact for this list and 150 is too expensive for an extra cp and a few less drops. So I went without it.
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Just wanted to be sure, as you had the number of units for that. It's true that Thunderquake isn't worth much without Kroxi and Chief, at least those two go always together on my lists.

Jason839 said:
As for burning head, if this was a starborne list I would totally take bound burning head. But since this is coalesced, I feel like I need to be moving everyturn. This makes burning head a bit clumsy to use. Hand of glory and the skink priest CA, can almost do as well as burning head, but have longer ranges and are easier to move around.
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You just stick the Burning head near the Bastis and move it along them. You don't have to move it the whole range if you want to stay stationayr with the Bastis, as 24" is more than enough to shoot anywhere. I just used it on my last game and I was moving an inch left to right. You could form a equilateral triangle with the burning head, to prevent a frontal charge, on the top and Bastis on bottom, in range enough to not lose the buff. This way you have Hand of Glory free for your Sallys.

Jason839 said:
As for who is getting buffed? Well I dont have an answer really. It depends on the game state. I usually try to buff the bastiladons so thst one is hitting on 3+ and the other is rerolling ones. If the salamanders are going to shoot and charge something, ill put hand on them. Sometimes ive put it all on the same unit, If i really want to make sure something dies. Just depends on what feels correct as I play.
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To be honest, double shooting, re-rolling 1s to hit and Starpriest buff on a Bastiladon, makes it deals like ~15 wounds vs 4+. Sallys would deal a similar number of wounds, but remember, his ablity and Starpriest buff doesn't stack, so they wouldn't make MW on 5+, because staff is on wound rolls and Sallys ability is on hit rolls.

Anything than that, I see you have very few bodies, but this is Thunder Lizard.
 
Alternate list ive been enjoying.

Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Thunder Lizard
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Stellar Tempest
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
Skink Starseer (140)
- Spell: Tide of Serpents
Engine of the Gods (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Prime Warbeast
- Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
5 x Saurus Guard (100)
Dread Saurian (510)
Bastiladon (220)
- Weapon: Solar Engine
Balewind Vortex (40)
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 115
 
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