8th Ed. Lizardmen - 2000 pts. A list build around Tetto Ek

[feluca]

Hi all,

I dislike the current trend of taking 3 buffed infantry blocks and shuffle them across the board without much planning.
What I do like are lists that can still compete without using the above statement.

With that said, I'd like to present you my army list and battle plan:


Lords:
Slann: 290 pts (Focused Rumination, Plaque of Tepok) not sure which lore, I'm currently thinking Fire

Heroes:
Tetto Eko: 255 pts.
Scar Veteran: 133 pts. (BSB, Light Armour, Shield, Banner of Swiftness)

Core:
29 Warriors: 390 pts (Spears, Full Command
30 Skinks: 352 pts (3 Kroxigor, Full Command)
10 Skink Skirmishers: 70 pts.
10 Skink Skirmishers: 70 pts.

Special:
5 Cold One Riders: 175 pts.

Rare
Ancient Stegadon: 275 pts.

With deployment I start by placing the skirmishers. After that I pick a particular flank, based on the terrain I pick the one where the enemy has difficulty outflanking me. I'll call this flank A.
Now comes the fun part, I place the block of saurus on the other side: flank B. The enemy will likely place their big blocks and hard hitters across the board facing the Warriors.
The rest of the deployment will depend on the enemy and where he places the rest of his army.

Now I use the special rule 'Eye of the Old Ones' granted by Tetto Eko, which lets me re-deploy d3 units, so at least one. I use this to place the Warrior unit to Flank A, where I'll have the upper hand.

In the first turn I'll cast Comet of Cassandora right in front of the bulk of the enemy (don't forget, any double will make the spell an irrisistable force)

The bulk of the enemy's army will have to redeploy, right in the danger zone of the Comet. The Slann will probably be able to cast some damage spells, causing even more damage.

Hopefully the Warriors can take on the flank I redeployd them in, if they can, it means the bulk of the enemy's army will horribly out position while taking damage from the comet and the Slann.

What do you think?

Feluca

 

[Arli]

Looks pretty solid. I would drop the cold one cavalry and take chameleons and terradons in their place. I know a lot of people would tell you to take some salamanders as well. If you can make the room, put one or two in.

 

[Anton_S]

Why not make the Slann a Heavens Loremaster so you can double up the comet? I can't see anyone stopping two.

 

[feluca]

Some good suggestions!

I know Cold Ones aren't the best option, but they work fairly well as a flanking unit. And Terradons are situational IMO, good versus skirmishers and for redirecting, but do I need a unit like that? I'm not sure

I could trade the Skirmishers for chameleon skinks, but aren't you worried that after two kills the unit runs off the board?

A heaven Slann would be really scary, both for me and the enemy, as I IF almost every spell (any double will trigger an IF) and that could really cost me the game, if I blow up both my Slann and Tetto'Eko. But is certainly an option. It would make for an extremely aggressive game, where both players loose tonnes of VP from turn 1.

 

[Anton_S]

Actually no, a special rule that triggers Irresistible Force does not also trigger a Miscast, so any double that is not a double 6 would be Irresistible but NOT Miscast. This is on page 34 in the main rulebook.

 

[Rhodium]

Actually no, a special rule that triggers Irresistible Force does not also trigger a Miscast, so any double that is not a double 6 would be Irresistible but NOT Miscast. This is on page 34 in the main rulebook.

I'm not arguing against what Anton has said here, but be careful this is not always the way people understand this rule

If you google it, there are numerous threads about on here and other well known warhammer websites, the threads here are often pro-lizardmen so often side with the no miscast school of thought, other general websites seem to have a more 50:50 split, the crux of the argument is around the fact BRb says "automatically IF" and people argue this special rule doesn't automatically cause a IF, you still need to roll a double.

Bear in mind I am NOT arguing against Anton's statement, my local gaming club and a lot of the local tournaments ban special characters so I have never come across this, I am just pointing out this rule is not as simple as it may seem and it would be worth clarifying beforehand with your opponent or TO

 

[Switchblade]

I personally think that any if casting should provoke a miscast, which in my opinion would balance things out. However, until there is a FAQ clarifying this, I will play that there is no miscast.

 

[Anton_S]

Given that the Book of Hoeth and Teclis both have the exact same rule, and have been FAQ:ed to not cause miscasts, I think it's safe to say that the only reason the same FAQ response doesn't exist for Tetto'Eko is that there isn't a model for him.

 

[Ejpok]

Hello,

Yes Tetto'eko suffers a miscast only on a 2x6 not any double. And I'd take Heavens on a Slann with the Loremaster. 2 Loremasters can have the same spells so, 2x commet is better than 1:>

 

[Scalenex]

You have a 30 Skink, 3 Kroxigor list, yes? Is that where you plan to put Tet? If you put Tet in a Skink unit with Kroxigors he can't float in the second rank like a Slann.

 

[Wiggus]

and remember tetto's all doubles are IF is for one round of magic only.