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AoS Kroak van cast celestial deliverence 3 Times (for now)

It's in the designer's commentary, page 2. It's why Kroak can now cast Celestial Deliverance 3 times.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/..._rules_designers_commentary_base_sizes_en.pdf

Q: If a warscroll or set of allegiance abilities has a rule that contradicts the core rules, can I use it? For example, Lord Kroak has a rule that allows him to attempt to cast Celestial Deliverance up to three times in the hero phase, but this contradicts the core rule that you can only attempt to cast a spell once per turn.

A: Warscrolls and allegiance abilities take precedence over the core rules, allowing you to do things that would not normally be allowed. In the case of Lord Kroak, his rule means he can attempt to cast Celestial Deliverance up to three times in the same turn.
 
Galen said:
It's in the designer's commentary, page 2. It's why Kroak can now cast Celestial Deliverance 3 times.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/..._rules_designers_commentary_base_sizes_en.pdf

Q: If a warscroll or set of allegiance abilities has a rule that contradicts the core rules, can I use it? For example, Lord Kroak has a rule that allows him to attempt to cast Celestial Deliverance up to three times in the hero phase, but this contradicts the core rule that you can only attempt to cast a spell once per turn.

A: Warscrolls and allegiance abilities take precedence over the core rules, allowing you to do things that would not normally be allowed. In the case of Lord Kroak, his rule means he can attempt to cast Celestial Deliverance up to three times in the same turn.
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I think with Kroak and Rippers back to their best we might see Kroaknado and Shadowstrike lists a lot more :D

Just going to order 3 more rippers..........
 
Hmpf I might have to play Rippers just for delicious whining of my opponent....
....but they are so ugly.... I love my Terradons...

....argh...decisions...
 
Aginor said:
Hmpf I might have to play Rippers just for delicious whining of my opponent....
....but they are so ugly.... I love my Terradons...

....argh...decisions...
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Play both, double shadowstrike :D
 
Exciting times, I'll wait for a post release FAQ before I order more models. But exciting times.
 
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Hey guys,

I've never played Kroak before. So say I cast Celestial Deliverance, then get the second roll successful, then the third. Does that count as using three spells up or just the one?

Are we saying it can be cast up to three times, at one cast cost, meaning he can do it multiple times (potential 12 times)

Sorry for the noob quesiton.
 
No, every cast counts as 1 so 3 in total. But previously we could only cast it onze die to the rule of one.
 
Ecozh said:
No, every cast counts as 1 so 3 in total. But previously we could only cast it onze die to the rule of one.
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Oh wow, thanks for the reply. I bought a Kroak recently and am yet to use him. Can't wait to try him out this weekend then!
 
TheCrux said:
Well I played a game last weekend against IronJawz and he wiped out half my 2k army in turn 1 before I even had a go. So I think it's time I got revenge!
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Make sure you get a Balewind vortex ;)
 
Crowsfoot said:
Make sure you get a Balewind vortex ;)
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Sadly the Balewind is not that powerful like he used to be^^

But just to point this out, if the Rippers are now played like in open play (i think thats how it was) dont you think its just to op and they can kill EVERYTHING, i mean that would mean they an generate 100 attacks, or 1000....
 
Hu3pfka3s3 said:
Sadly the Balewind is not that powerful like he used to be^^

But just to point this out, if the Rippers are now played like in open play (i think thats how it was) dont you think its just to op and they can kill EVERYTHING, i mean that would mean they an generate 100 attacks, or 1000....
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How would you buff them if I was using 6 rippers?
 
Hu3pfka3s3 said:
Sadly the Balewind is not that powerful like he used to be^^

But just to point this out, if the Rippers are now played like in open play (i think thats how it was) dont you think its just to op and they can kill EVERYTHING, i mean that would mean they an generate 100 attacks, or 1000....
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I can totally understand the excitement, but didn't they already try this out? And it was disgustingly overpowered?

I would be surprised if it's not faq'd or changed again.

I'll be honest, if 2.0 Seraphon becomes all about Kroak and Ripper spam (again) I can't say i'm really looking forward to that. Feels like pre GH all over again.
 
Putzfrau said:
I can totally understand the excitement, but didn't they already try this out? And it was disgustingly overpowered?

I would be surprised if it's not faq'd or changed again.

I'll be honest, if 2.0 Seraphon becomes all about Kroak and Ripper spam (again) I can't say i'm really looking forward to that. Feels like pre 2017 GH all over again.
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Well, other armies got stronger as well in the meantime, but....yeah. Same here. It does sound like it can be pretty broken. And more importantly: not fun.

I am more of a guy who likes to be known for winning (or at least put up a good fight) because of skill and not because my army is OP.
I hope it will neither be too severe nor get us nerfed to the ground in the next update.
 
Aginor said:
Well, other armies got stronger as well in the meantime, but....yeah. Same here. It does sound like it can be pretty broken. And more importantly: not fun.

I am more of a guy who likes to be known for winning (or at least put up a good fight) because of skill and not because my army is OP.
I hope it will neither be too severe nor get us nerfed to the ground in the next update.
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Kroak and Ripper spam is what really killed AoS for me before the first GH came out.

Hopefully between summoning and some of the command point changes theres at least a little more internal balance so it's not the only viable build.
 
Can we set Kroak on a Vortex? Its limited to 9 Wounds or so, and on the Warscroll from Kroak there is no number... XD
 
Dedragon said:
Can we set Kroak on a Vortex? Its limited to 9 Wounds or so, and on the Warscroll from Kroak there is no number... XD
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yes this has been discussed on another thread. wounds counts sees exact value. * isn't a number and is there fore not affected by the limit. technically he has ZERO wounds.
 
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