8th Ed. Ideas for fixing Skrox

[olderplayer]

Glitch in system, Double post.

 

[Pinktaco]

Right now that the enemy ccan choose wether to attack the skinks or the krox, what is the niche of this unit? what is it good for?
If you face weak troops they can just obliterate your skinks with S3 and WS3 attacks while your kroxs attacks doesnt really worth that much. If you engage more elite unit they will probably kill your kroxs almost as if they were skinks.

Their niche is as a tarpit with a bit of a bite that can get the charge and want to target things that don't have a lot of static CR.

A unit of 3 Krox and 24 Skinks with Standard and Musician matches up almost evenly against a Doombull with Sword of Swift Slaying, Dawnstone, and Ramhorn Helm (I don't know if this is the optimal build of a Doombull, this is how the guy I recently played ran him)

By my math, if the Bull puts all his attacks into the Krox the CR ends up being 5.27 to 5.14 in the Bulls favor (barely) and the Skrox have a musician to win the tie.

If you compare 2 Krox and 16 Skinks to this Doombull the final CR is Bull: 4.9 to Skrox: 4.55 which is similarly close and saves you 90 points in case the dice don't go your way.

Those numbers assume no charge bonus (or impact hits from the Bull). Whoever gets the charge should win the first round of combat. And that is where the Krox ultimately beat out any unit of Saurus. Movement 6 can get the charge they want more often than movement 4.

This is also assuming the Beastman player always attacks the Krox. If he decides to put some of this attacks into the skinks then he is going to start losing combat by more and more.

Do we really need much more anti armour though?

We have:

S6 stegs.
S5 templeguard, with AP banner they're effectively just as good as stegs, just more attacks.
S7 cowboys.
S7 regular kroxigors (units of 8).

Magic.

It's an odd units though and I agree with you that I'm not quite seeing what they should do. I mean, if all we want to do we've already discussed in other threads that regular skinks can do just fine, so what's the need for the krox? If I want a tarpit with a bite I think I'll just spend 250pts on 50 skinks + 100pts for poison. It's still expensive though.

The only reason I see us fielding skrox units is if we want to have fast (M6) moving Core units who can flank whatever is hitting our templeguard unit, but in the end I still think I'd rather just pick up 30 saurus with spears.

**EDIT**

Oh yeah, the krox gives the unit Ld7 instead of the puny 5. This is at least something worth considering because even steadfast Ld5 isn't particularly fasinating.

 

[hdctambien]

S6 stegs.
S5 templeguard, with AP banner they're effectively just as good as stegs, just more attacks.
S7 cowboys.
S7 regular kroxigors (units of 8).

None of those are core, though.

The only reason I see us fielding skrox units is if we want to have fast (M6) moving Core units who can flank whatever is hitting our templeguard unit, but in the end I still think I'd rather just pick up 30 saurus with spears.

If anything, Skrox units make our core a little more diverse. Also they look cool.

If you are playing MSU and want a ranked combat unit, 16 Skinks + 1 Krox might be better value than 12 Saurus Warriors.

Skrox also give you a viable option for a core combat block if you wanted to run a No-Saurus list.

It probably depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your army. If you're building the most competitive army possible, then there probably isn't room for Skrox in your list.

 

[Lizardmatt]

What I find interesting is the more I play, the more I'm shifting to Skrox.
At 300 points, I'm really happy with 24 skinks and 3 krox. The krox hold up a lot better than people give credit for, and with 6 ranks, I'm breaking steadfast on a lot of units.

Saurus need help; magic, a hitting hero etc...
For the cost of 30 saurus with spears, I'm bringing 8 ranks instead of 5-6. That lets me hold with steadfast long enough for something big and scary to come into the flank and rescue, which is something that saurus don't always do.

Also, you only get purpled sunned so many times before it really starts to suck.