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7th Ed. help on a 1000 lizzy army
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Kroxigor
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that is really, really vague 
But in all seriousness, what models do you have already, what models are you planning on getting, etc. There are many ways that you can design a list, even at 1k, so what strategies and tactics work best for you? Do you prefer to charge straight into the enemies line and beat him over the head through bloody attrition, skirmish and slowly pick away at the enemy, or pick your fights and ambush?
But in all seriousness, what models do you have already, what models are you planning on getting, etc. There are many ways that you can design a list, even at 1k, so what strategies and tactics work best for you? Do you prefer to charge straight into the enemies line and beat him over the head through bloody attrition, skirmish and slowly pick away at the enemy, or pick your fights and ambush?
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Perhaps you could give it a shot yourself first, and then ask us to have a look. It's really the best way to learn.
For some ideas you could look at some of the other lists on this site
For some ideas you could look at some of the other lists on this site
well i have
-4 kroxigor
-24 skinks( blowpipes)
-slann
-stegadon
-2 skink chiefs
-2 skink priests
im getting 24 more skinks... soon and chamelion skinks X 10
i am thinking of doing an all skink or southland army. please advise. that would be great
-4 kroxigor
-24 skinks( blowpipes)
-slann
-stegadon
-2 skink chiefs
-2 skink priests
im getting 24 more skinks... soon and chamelion skinks X 10
i am thinking of doing an all skink or southland army. please advise. that would be great
Kroxigor
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hmmmmm.
Okay, well my first suggestion is that for the vast majority of your skinks you will probably want to switch to jav. and shield. As you will not have a core center to draw your opponent towards, your skinks are going to be doing a lot of manuvering.
That said, I imagine a 1k list would include a stegadon and the 4 kroxigors (so 467 pts thr). You will probably want to fill out the list with a lvl 2 skink priest (567 pts), add a skink chief; either to the stegadon for staying power and better generalship w/the stegadon helm or simply as a FSoD to deal with war machines (about 667). The remaining 300 pts or so you should spend on skinks (so about 10 scouting skinks and 38 standard skinks, meaning that that additional 24 skinks box should get you to 1k).
That will give you a pretty solid 1k list that has 2-3 hard hitters, good magic for 1k, and a large skirmishing base. You will make even wood elves envious.
As two pieces of advice, firstly dont buy 10 chamo skinks. If you look at the various lists posted, you will notice that they are rarely 10 strong if present at all. This is because it is a tactical unit and the larger unit the harder it is to scout closely and avoid pursuers, etc. Secondly, as a regular Southlands player I can tell you that you should never take skink cohorts, and the only real point to have a Southlands list is to take advantage of the skinks w/short bows and horned one riders from previous editions (as is attested to by Gav and other game developers).
Okay, well my first suggestion is that for the vast majority of your skinks you will probably want to switch to jav. and shield. As you will not have a core center to draw your opponent towards, your skinks are going to be doing a lot of manuvering.
That said, I imagine a 1k list would include a stegadon and the 4 kroxigors (so 467 pts thr). You will probably want to fill out the list with a lvl 2 skink priest (567 pts), add a skink chief; either to the stegadon for staying power and better generalship w/the stegadon helm or simply as a FSoD to deal with war machines (about 667). The remaining 300 pts or so you should spend on skinks (so about 10 scouting skinks and 38 standard skinks, meaning that that additional 24 skinks box should get you to 1k).
That will give you a pretty solid 1k list that has 2-3 hard hitters, good magic for 1k, and a large skirmishing base. You will make even wood elves envious.
As two pieces of advice, firstly dont buy 10 chamo skinks. If you look at the various lists posted, you will notice that they are rarely 10 strong if present at all. This is because it is a tactical unit and the larger unit the harder it is to scout closely and avoid pursuers, etc. Secondly, as a regular Southlands player I can tell you that you should never take skink cohorts, and the only real point to have a Southlands list is to take advantage of the skinks w/short bows and horned one riders from previous editions (as is attested to by Gav and other game developers).
ok thankyou very much for that. that is a big help ill take that into consideration.
i thought about...
skink chief
shink priest lvl 2 X 2
krox X 4
stegadon
skinks X 48
chameleons X 6
what do u think. with your ideas taken into consideration. which i appreciate really much btw
i thought about...
skink chief
shink priest lvl 2 X 2
krox X 4
stegadon
skinks X 48
chameleons X 6
what do u think. with your ideas taken into consideration. which i appreciate really much btw
Cold One
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This new list will probably dominate in the magic phase at 1k points, and could be quite a hassle for most opponents. I'll second SoCahToa's suggestion at giving a few of these guys (all but the scouts if you take any) javelins and shields simply because they'll be moving all the time and the javs don't penalize for that. I think the Chamo skinks are about right with the numbers for the unit, but I still haven't got mine into a game yet so I can't confirm that.
Since you don't have point totals here I can't say anything about your chief. I'd like to know what you're planning on doing with him (going for leadership? FSoD? etc...) and how many points you have saved up before throwing down suggestions on how to equip him.
And at the low points levels, you could probably drop a single Krox out of your unit. It's a big hit, but for 50 some odd points you can get a lot of stuff back. You probably won't face Too much at this point level that would require the fourth can opener that badly.
Can't say much about the Stegadon. While most will recommend you get Salamanders instead, at these points, the Terror causing monster could very well make or break a few combats and possibly the game. I'd say try it out but if it doesn't pull it's weight, get a full three sallies in a hunting pack and see how they perform for you.
Since you don't have point totals here I can't say anything about your chief. I'd like to know what you're planning on doing with him (going for leadership? FSoD? etc...) and how many points you have saved up before throwing down suggestions on how to equip him.
And at the low points levels, you could probably drop a single Krox out of your unit. It's a big hit, but for 50 some odd points you can get a lot of stuff back. You probably won't face Too much at this point level that would require the fourth can opener that badly.
Can't say much about the Stegadon. While most will recommend you get Salamanders instead, at these points, the Terror causing monster could very well make or break a few combats and possibly the game. I'd say try it out but if it doesn't pull it's weight, get a full three sallies in a hunting pack and see how they perform for you.
ok cool thanks for that, i have a game this tuesday against the new dark elves so i am thinking taking them out quikly for experimental purposes. originaly i gave my chief
- light armour
- shield
- blesed spawning of sotec
- scout
- burning blade of chotec
- dispell scroll
( note this was originally for a 1500)
- light armour
- shield
- blesed spawning of sotec
- scout
- burning blade of chotec
- dispell scroll
( note this was originally for a 1500)
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If I were you, I would recommend that you try the stegadon in your game. I dont have much luck with the stegadon personally, but if he works for you: congrats. I would personally take salamanders, but try him out and if you do not like him, drop him
Regards
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Kroxigor
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Warning! Warning!
Skink Chiefs cannot take dispel scrolls! Or for that matter any kind of arcane item! I would suggest that you post your list so that we can check it over to make sure it is legal.
That said, the build you currently have for your skink chief would probably be better on a Scar Vet. With a T3, WS4, and a low armor save, this guy will have difficulty going toe to toe with many full units.
Skink Chiefs cannot take dispel scrolls! Or for that matter any kind of arcane item! I would suggest that you post your list so that we can check it over to make sure it is legal.
That said, the build you currently have for your skink chief would probably be better on a Scar Vet. With a T3, WS4, and a low armor save, this guy will have difficulty going toe to toe with many full units.
ok cool well the game is this tuesday so i wont get them by then. but for all your responses i will defo have to get salamanders!!
i re did my list today... what do u think
-skink priest
lvl 2
scout
dispel scrollX2
-skink priest
lvl2
blessed spwning old ones
diadem of power
-skinks X12
scouts
brave
-skinks X12
scouts
brave
-skinks X11
scouts
brave
-kroxigor X3
-stegadon
total = i think 999 (i think)
i re did my list today... what do u think
-skink priest
lvl 2
scout
dispel scrollX2
-skink priest
lvl2
blessed spwning old ones
diadem of power
-skinks X12
scouts
brave
-skinks X12
scouts
brave
-skinks X11
scouts
brave
-kroxigor X3
-stegadon
total = i think 999 (i think)
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The list look oke......keep in mind the tips you recieved !! (Sallies and a scar-vet would be nice!)
Pray your opponent isn't fielding any reaper bolt throwers......Otherwise your Stegadon isn't gonna last very long........
One of your biggest fears is "Fear or terror" Your highest leadership is 7 and that is from the kroxes......
Cold blooded is very good, but throwing 3 die to reach a six........not my cup a tea.....
The new DE can field at least 1 terror causes at 1K (maybe 2 if they field a manticore and the new Hydra (nasty fella btw), but i doubt that)...Remember...they only have T3....
But then again you have T2 and DE can go rather "shooty" on ya......
Good luck! Let us know how it went!
Pray your opponent isn't fielding any reaper bolt throwers......Otherwise your Stegadon isn't gonna last very long........
One of your biggest fears is "Fear or terror" Your highest leadership is 7 and that is from the kroxes......
Cold blooded is very good, but throwing 3 die to reach a six........not my cup a tea.....
The new DE can field at least 1 terror causes at 1K (maybe 2 if they field a manticore and the new Hydra (nasty fella btw), but i doubt that)...Remember...they only have T3....
But then again you have T2 and DE can go rather "shooty" on ya......
Good luck! Let us know how it went!
Kroxigor
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Im just going to insert a warning here that magic is fickle. One miscast can stop an entire magic phase (or indeed a priest's life) in its tracks. Taking two level 2s will either be extremely effective or very damaging.
The problem with investing so many points into magic is that your list becomes incredibly fragile. You need more troops to soak up casualties and deal damage to your opponent.
As freakndell said, your list, due to its lack of leadership, will have to avoid protracted combats at all costs.
Keeping these things in mind, I would suggest fiddling around with the magic items of your two skink priests. First, two dispel scrolls is extreme overkill. With two level 2s in a 1k game, no one is going to come near to having as much magic as you (unless there undead, but then dispel scrolls arnt nearly as good as mass dispel dice). With the diadem, you can use 6 dispel dice if need be, so I would say drop atleast one dispel scroll (I would suggest both), and use those points to either get a cloak of feathers on the priest or get more troops. Similarly, the BSoOO is overkill. I could understand taking the BSoOO with the cube of darkness, but these 35 pts are unnecessary with a diadem skink. If d3 rerolls are that important to you, simply cast the spell (you will have plenty of casting power for it).
By dropping the 2 scrolls and the BSoOO, you could have 85 pts to invest in a skink chief (better ld!), beef up your skinks numbers, or do something to make your list less fragile and reliant on magic.
The problem with investing so many points into magic is that your list becomes incredibly fragile. You need more troops to soak up casualties and deal damage to your opponent.
As freakndell said, your list, due to its lack of leadership, will have to avoid protracted combats at all costs.
Keeping these things in mind, I would suggest fiddling around with the magic items of your two skink priests. First, two dispel scrolls is extreme overkill. With two level 2s in a 1k game, no one is going to come near to having as much magic as you (unless there undead, but then dispel scrolls arnt nearly as good as mass dispel dice). With the diadem, you can use 6 dispel dice if need be, so I would say drop atleast one dispel scroll (I would suggest both), and use those points to either get a cloak of feathers on the priest or get more troops. Similarly, the BSoOO is overkill. I could understand taking the BSoOO with the cube of darkness, but these 35 pts are unnecessary with a diadem skink. If d3 rerolls are that important to you, simply cast the spell (you will have plenty of casting power for it).
By dropping the 2 scrolls and the BSoOO, you could have 85 pts to invest in a skink chief (better ld!), beef up your skinks numbers, or do something to make your list less fragile and reliant on magic.
ok so i should ditch the 2 scolls and blessed mark of the old ones. and gain back 85 points. should i invest in another unit of skinks x 10 with a brave and scouts with the new points i have?? im being very experimental with this army. thanks
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Well, Im assuming that this is considering that there are no new models available. In this case, yes, I would say that that would be the best call. That said, braves are generally speaking rather useless. With units armed with blowpipes, Him hitting on a 5+ wont make much of a dent, and there should not be a situation in which he is the only one hitting on a 6+. Similarly, with javs one better hitting str 3 does not justify the 5 pt increase.
