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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
They're not going to try and kill off the three games and bring in an AoS Total War now, are they?
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If they do another series my bet would be on 40k.

J.Logan said:
Egads, you mean to suggest that Settra is not the Chuck Norris of the Warhammer setting? :p
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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
Not when up against cheesy End Times Nagash at any rate :(
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We might like Settra better, but Nagash was the stronger of the two, even before the End Times. The only one I'd definitively put above Nagash (discounting gods of course) is living Lord Kroak.

Plus, Nagash is self-made. Kroak was created powerful by the Old Ones. Archaon has the backing of the Chaos gods. Nagash was just a puny human who mastered necromancy better than any had or has since.

Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
Yeeeaaah... but a crap story that benefitted some factions (especially those that didn't need anymore benefitting... looking at you Warriors of Chaos) more than others :shifty:
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The Chaos factions AND the Elven factions got unfairly advantaged.
 
Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
Nope, Dark Elves too. Indeed, Dark Elves got the best treatment of all Elf factions across 8th, like in 7th.
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I suppose I should have seen that coming when I remember the fact that Malekith passed through the Whatsit Flame and become the rightful king of the elves with the justification of "it's supposed to burn you and then remake you, everybody else was just cheating to avoid burning"
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
We might like Settra better, but Nagash was the stronger of the two, even before the End Times. The only one I'd definitively put above Nagash (discounting gods of course) is living Lord Kroak.

Plus, Nagash is self-made. Kroak was created powerful by the Old Ones. Archaon has the backing of the Chaos gods. Nagash was just a puny human who mastered necromancy better than any had or has since.
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So much this.
Of course, Settra is Settra and I love him more... but he was no match for Nagash
 
I hear you guys. I don't know the story for The End Times (other than what Nagash becomes in AoS), but I still think Settra gets punked out too quickly. Of course, it is just a trailer and not a mini-movie.
 
Does Nagash, without his legions, beat Archaon? What about Grimgor? Or Malekith?

I'm guessing Kroak (when he was alive) beats all?
 
- Q - said:
Does Nagash, without his legions, beat Archaon? What about Grimgor? Or Malekith?

I'm guessing Kroak (when he was alive) beats all?
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Grimgor certainly beat Archaon once, soundly :cool:

And yes, Storm of Chaos deserves to be considered if End Times is, as the former was the better story continuation by far.
 
J.Logan said:
The boot to the nads that had Chaos collectively cupping their nethers and going home, deeming the entire affair as one that doesn't count, because gosh-dangit, that just wasn't playing fair. XD
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:D:D:D:D

I still prefer that as the better scenario. Too bad the WoC fanboys wanted their precious Everchosen to get his own way :shifty:

Stuff what GW think, the End Times is the fanfiction, Storm of Chaos was already decided to be natural story progression, and that way the Old World can live on so that further stories can be told :cool:
 
- Q - said:
Why would it not be counted as canon? Is it not a Games Workshop publication?
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Because GeeDubs basically retconed Storm of Chaos into an alternate timeline. SoC was essentially the original attempt at depicting the End Times events, but GeeDubs made the "mistake" of having the narrative driven by the players reporting their battles and outcomes. In theory, it would have been a good way of making the community feel like their battles were actually having an affect on the world, that we are truly fighting in a campaign to save (or destroy) the Old World. Problem? GeeDubs threw a hissy fit that it wasn't Chaos winning.

Same issue happened in 40K and the multitude of Black Crusades that were fought back. In the end, as much as I think Cadia being destroyed was an awesome move and really set the narrative for the storm that would actually require Primarchs to start making their return... having the narrative turn around and say "Oh, those thirteen Black Crusades weren't actually failures, it turns out that Abbadon had secret objectives all along, and somehow nobody noticed the pattern of these ancient Necron pylons or whatever they were always being destroyed in each crusade."

Lesson to take away from this? GeeDubs aren't truly committed to letting the gamers have a hand in the truly monumental events, because they don't like it when the wrong teams win.
 
J.Logan said:
Because GeeDubs basically retconed Storm of Chaos into an alternate timeline. SoC was essentially the original attempt at depicting the End Times events, but GeeDubs made the "mistake" of having the narrative driven by the players reporting their battles and outcomes. In theory, it would have been a good way of making the community feel like their battles were actually having an affect on the world, that we are truly fighting in a campaign to save (or destroy) the Old World. Problem? GeeDubs threw a hissy fit that it wasn't Chaos winning.

Same issue happened in 40K and the multitude of Black Crusades that were fought back. In the end, as much as I think Cadia being destroyed was an awesome move and really set the narrative for the storm that would actually require Primarchs to start making their return... having the narrative turn around and say "Oh, those thirteen Black Crusades weren't actually failures, it turns out that Abbadon had secret objectives all along, and somehow nobody noticed the pattern of these ancient Necron pylons or whatever they were always being destroyed in each crusade."

Lesson to take away from this? GeeDubs aren't truly committed to letting the gamers have a hand in the truly monumental events, because they don't like it when the wrong teams win.
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It's good to know people in high places :D
 
Where can that Grimgor versus Archaon story be found? In the Storm of Chaos campaign book or in something else?
 
- Q - said:
Where can that Grimgor versus Archaon story be found? In the Storm of Chaos campaign book or in something else?
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Sourcebook and following White Dwarf issues, I believe.

I think it is something to note, I've not seen an official statement that Archaon was literally felled by a groin kick, so that part might well be fan retellings that have become more popular than the actual way the fight was over. What I do know for a fact is that Grimgor appeared while Archaon was still tired from fighting the Empire's heroes, did a less than honourable attack, declared that Grimgor iz da best while holding an axe to Archaon's throat, then buggered off without killing Archaon, which was quite the insult.
 
Killer Angel said:
I do believe it was in the SoC campaign book
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I can't seem to find the story.

J.Logan said:
Sourcebook and following White Dwarf issues, I believe.
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That might explain why it is so hard to track down.

J.Logan said:
I think it is something to note, I've not seen an official statement that Archaon was literally felled by a groin kick, so that part might well be fan retellings that have become more popular than the actual way the fight was over.
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I do wonder. Your theory might be correct.
 
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