AoS Fight Against NightHunts without Invocation?

[General Grivious]

Hello everyone, first of all I want to tell you that this community is the best, I really like that there is a special forum for Seraphon, I like it so much that's why I'm learning English (Hello from Peru )!

Well, the issue is that I would like to know how to put together an army that can fight against the following type list of nighthunts:

1) Allegiance: Nighthaunt

Leaders
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (140)
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- General

Battleline
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)
6 x Spirit Hosts (240)

Total: 1000 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 89

2) Allegiance: Death

Leaders
Guardian of Souls with Nightmare Lantern (140)
- General
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (140)

Battleline
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)

Units
8 x Myrmourn Banshees (160)

Total: 1000 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 99

*I didn't know artefacts and command trait


The problem is that I currently have a Starting Collector and a Skink Starpriest with the following composition:
- 1 Troglodon
- 12 S Warriors
- 8 S Knight
- 1 Saurus Oldblood
- 1 Skink Starpriest

I have the option to buy a box of skinks and a box of Ripperdactyls (to play with the battalion Shadowstar) or a second box SC, or somethiing else in that price range (shipping is expensive)??

Finally the big dilemma is that I can not play Invocation because since if I buy a Slann, I will not have enough units to invoque.

Could you help me build a more optimal list with these conditions?

I put these possible lists (1) if i buy 1 more SC and (2) for the skinks and Ripper:

1) Allegiance: Seraphon

Leaders
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (240)
- General
- Warblade
- Trait: Thickly Scaled Hide
- Artefact: Coronal Shield
Skink Starpriest (80)
- Artefact: Prism of Amyntok

Battleline
5 x Saurus Knights (90)
- Blades
5 x Saurus Knights (90)
- Blades
5 x Saurus Knights (90)
- Blades
20 x Saurus Warriors (200)
- Clubs

Battalions
Firelance Starhost (150)

Total: 940 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 66


2) Allegiance: Seraphon

Leaders
Skink Starpriest (80)
- General
- Trait: Master of Star Rituals
- Artefact: Prism of Amyntok
Saurus Oldblood (120)
- Warblade
- Artefact: Coronal Shield

Battleline
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
10 x Saurus Warriors (100)
- Clubs
5 x Saurus Knights (90)
- Blades

Units
3 x Ripperdactyl Riders (140)

Behemoths
Troglodon (160)

Battalions
Shadowstrike Starhost (180)

Total: 990 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 72

Thanks for the answers

 

[LizardWizard]

So glad you found the community. I also love it here.

Shadowstrike is one of my favorite armies. However, I am not certain how well you will fair vs Nighthaunt who is spamming Chainrasp horde. If your opponent is savvy he will zone out your Ripperdactyls and prevent your deep strike. Although, as far as armies to work up to I would say that Shadow Strike is currently Seraphon's best tournament list.

If you go with a second SCBox then I would consider putting the Sword of Judgement on your Scar Veteran on Carnosaur. The artifact is from the realm of Ulgu in the Malign Sorcery box. It causes +6's to hit to deal D6 mortal wounds. If you equip it on a Warspear or Warblade you can get some pretty high damage numbers. @Crowsfoot has a guide to get the most out of SC box here: http://www.lustria-online.com/threa...rom-your-start-collecting-seraphon-box.20560/

Lastly, I would reccomend looking into both Thunderquake Starhost and Fangs of Sotek. Outside of Shadowstrike these are our most competitive list.

 

[Canas]

I'd go with the SC box. It fleshes out your overal army more. Remember to build one of the Knights as a scar-vet on cold one & the skink prophet from the troglodon as a priest/starpriest for maximum use out of the box .

Anyways, a shadowstrike is nice, but it leaves your battleline as little more than fodder. Which means your terradons and troglodon will have to do basicly all the work. Having multiple Knights in a starhost, especially with a scar-vet leading them probably gives you a better chance of actually chewing through the nighthaunt.


If you'd want to stick with the shadowstrike I'd suggest either getting way more skinks, so you can field a unit of 40 which actually does something resembling damage, or getting some chameleons. As well as replacing the various saurus with some other supporting units since the saurus don't really belong in a shadowstrike list. What could be interesting would be to get some kroxigor given the amount of hordes you're facing.

 

[Aginor]

Welcome!
Good tips here already.
To be honest I am not sure there is a really good way to stop the new Nighthaunt stuff consistently.
But just putting regular wounds on them and trying to stop their heroes is probably the best way.

 

[General Grivious]

Thanks for the answers! I'm going to buy a 2nd SC of Seraphon! I hope my Knights will fight hard
I think that to destroy armies based on hordes, I have to play with Razordons (2 units of 4 xD).
Post behind the front lines should be easy to kill them ( the problem is that they not sell razordons here :/ ).

 

[Canas]

Thanks for the answers! I'm going to buy a 2nd SC of Seraphon! I hope my Knights will fight hard
I think that to destroy armies based on hordes, I have to play with Razordons (2 units of 4 xD).
Post behind the front lines should be easy to kill them

Mwha, stegadons with flamethrowers or Kroxigor are our dedicated anti-horde stuff. An eternal starhost also works if the horde has no mortal wounds. Razordons on the other hand aren't really anti-horde, they just have a crapton of attacks, but that works on any target

( the problem is that they not sell razordons here :/ ).

long live the internets where you can order stuff