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Fantasy vs AoS

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Killer Angel said:
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Euuuuuuugghhh, but moving on,
I feel like, as a general rule, long time players of Fantasy for the most part (There are some exceptions, don't get me wrong, but the vast majority, at least) seem to dislike Age of Sigmar on an instinctive level, which is fair. For a lot of us, Fantasy was a part of our childhood, or growing up, or an important part of our adult life. Now, suddenly, the company which has provided us with this game we love so much seemingly stabs it in the back, laughs, and then builds a new, sleeker, more streamlined game from it's corpse, that seems to be a mockery of that game we loved. New players start filtering in, unaware of the your game's history, and while we see glimpses of Fantasy in the older models, or an occasional fluff reference to something, generally, it seems like Fantasy is dead and gone, replaced by something new, different, and a little alien. It's kind of like how older generations dislike the inventions of the newer generation, seeing them as the destruction and replacement of perfectly serviceable system that they themselves built up and grew attached to over the years, while for the most part (Again, not all, but most) not recognizing that they did the same thing to the generation before them, and so on and so forth until some monkey at some point laughed at a younger monkey for getting a sharp stick and killing his prey with it, and not enjoying the thrill of killing his prey with his bare hands, or whatever. That doesn't make us Fantasy players wrong for missing Fantasy, or to some degree disliking AoS, it's just kind of the way we are as people. Also, I miss that sort of campy 80s vibe that poked through the grimdark in modern Fantasy every once and a while, which you never see in AoS.
 
I only have the AoS rules, and I enjoy them, BUT I hate the AoS fluff/lore. I simply cannot stand it!

So I am pretending that none of that "end of times" shit ever happened. I like Total war warhammer (which I think is Old world, right???) And I am using the Total war warhammer time frame and fluff/lore.

I still use the name Seraphon, because it sounds awesome!

So maybe there is a compromise between AoS and Wfb/Old world.
#Trigger @NIGHTBRINGER
 
Preferences in game play and tactics aside, I'll be honest in admitting that a lot of my hatred for AOS comes from the fact that it came as part of an overall bad year in my life. They scrapped Warhammer Fantasy, which I was just getting back into after a hiatus of a few years, right after a year in which I lost my dad, a friend of mine died and I dealt with a sibling's health issues.
 
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NIGHTBRINGER said:
Only because you don't know the history of it prior to GW adopting it. ;)
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What history?

And let's face it, if nothing else it sounds more inspired than "lizardmen"... at least the "ratmen" and "beastmen" are only called that by the empire, they have a proper name for themselfs.
 
Canas said:
What history?

And let's face it, if nothing else it sounds more inspired than "lizardmen"... at least the "ratmen" and "beastmen" are only called that by the empire, they have a proper name for themselfs.
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If I'm not wrong the term "Seraphon" was used some time ago (in some strange places within the web) to refer to a weird fetish of drawing anthropomorphic animals tickling other animals.
That was creepy, indeed.

On the other hand, I strongly believe GW didn't give a skink about this, and choose "Seraphon" as copyright-able name referring to "Seraphim", the angels of the highest rank in the Christian hierarchy (often described as the most vengeful/inflexible/feral/frightening manifestations of God).
Which on the contrary is pretty badass!

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I agree on the fact that a proper name gives our race a more interesting and developed identity, but I can understand somebody may miss the traditional name of our models (for habits/affection reasons).
 
Canas said:
What history?

And let's face it, if nothing else it sounds more inspired than "lizardmen"... at least the "ratmen" and "beastmen" are only called that by the empire, they have a proper name for themselfs.
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It is a word used for both angels and snakes in some very old texts. Wikipedia sums it up relatively nciely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph

EDIT: Oh and GW already used it as a name for some dude's horse or something.
EDIT2: It was Malekith's Black Dragon apparently. So.... close enough I guess. :D
 
Aginor said:
Oh and GW already used it as a name for some dude's horse(Malekith and his mount Seraphon: now a singular being called "Malerion", predictably) or something.
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Oh, right!
THAT was awkward, in my opinion... :facepalm:
 
Aginor said:
It is a word used for both angels and snakes in some very old texts. Wikipedia sums it up relatively nciely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph

EDIT: Oh and GW already used it as a name for some dude's horse or something.
EDIT2: It was Malekith's Black Dragon apparently. So.... close enough I guess. :D
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Ah that history, thought something more obscure than Seraphs was meant.

Having already used it for a malekith's dragon is a tad weird though...
 
Canas said:
What history?
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Freddy25 said:
If I'm not wrong the term "Seraphon" was used some time ago (in some strange places within the web) to refer to a weird fetish of drawing anthropomorphic animals tickling other animals.
That was creepy, indeed.
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That's exactly what it was. It was creepy as hell. So when AoS was first dropped and the "Seraphon" were introduced, a quick Google image search would bring up hundreds of these weird fetishized animal (mainly cats) tickling pictures. Now that the name has been strongly associated with GW's product (which has a much larger user group than the cat-tickle-fetish crowd), a google image search of Seraphon will mainly bring up Lizardmen models. At the onset however, it was a very weird situation.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
That's exactly what it was. It was creepy as hell. So when AoS was first dropped and the "Seraphon" were introduced, a quick Google image search would bring up hundreds of these weird fetishized animal (mainly cats) tickling pictures. Now that the name has been strongly associated with GW's product (which has a much larger user group than the cat-tickle-fetish crowd), a google image search of Seraphon will mainly bring up Lizardmen models. At the onset however, it was a very weird situation.
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Never heared of that, ah well, the more you know :P
 
I do rather miss our old Fantasy faction names, though I guess GW really wanted those delicious trademarked names. I'm still going to laugh every time I see Aelf, Ogor, or Duardin though. They didn't even try.
 
TheSkeptic said:
I do rather miss our old Fantasy faction names, though I guess GW really wanted those delicious trademarked names. I'm still going to laugh every time I see Aelf, Ogor, or Duardin though. They didn't even try.
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The names they came up with are horrible.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
The names they came up with are horrible.
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Duardin vaguely seems like a more common name for dwarfs though and I don't mind it much.. or at least it seemed familiar before GW used it.. Aelf is rather stupid though... Ogor is somehwere in the middle...
 
Canas said:
Duardin vaguely seems like a more common name for dwarfs though and I don't mind it much.. or at least it seemed familiar before GW used it.. Aelf is rather stupid though... Ogor is somehwere in the middle...
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I always picture an elf holding up dual finger pistols and saying his best "ehhhhhhh" impression when I see GW's new spelling
 
Canas said:
Aelf is rather stupid though...
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That is the worst one by far. When reading it on paper it just feels stupid.

I bug my wife with that all the time. She plays Wood Elves, so I purposely over-emphasize the "A" in Aelves . We have good laughs about that one. She is most definitely is not a fan of AoS.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
That is the worst one by far. When reading it on paper it just feels stupid.

I bug my wife with that all the time. She plays Wood Elves, so I purposely over-emphasize the "A" in Aelves . We have good laughs about that one. She is most definitely is not a fan of AoS.
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I dread to think what the wrath of Mrs NIGHTBRINGER would encompass - the wrath of NIGHTBRINGER himself is already formidable in magnitude and nature towards AoS. ;)

The Dark Side of the Force flows strong, methinks.
 
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