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7th Ed. Dealing with the big V!

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Thats right everybody! The verminlord for the skaven is back (according to a guy who read the book)! A lvl 4 mage and stronger then an oldblood! (albeit with pretty weak save!)

So far I have come up with one solution! The thing well have to use against it is what we do for every big monster....skink spam! (or alternatively Carnosaur)

30 Skink skirmishers can move, shoot at long range, and multiple shot at it and STILL hit on 6's (large target) Averaging 10 wounds, the daemon might as well just die...

any other ways to deal with this and the up and coming hell pit abomination (has regen, and a fancy combe back after death rule....)
 
Is the vermin lord a large target? a daemon prince isnt..... Big expensive monsters and magic is always a dangerous combo cause if they miscast and go bye bye its a huge loss. But im guessing magic will be a really huge part of how the skaven perform now which makes since as dark magic is basically the entire reason for thier existence. Going against skaven now tho id be more worried about all the sneaky little tricks they are gonna pull and all the crazy wargear and weapons.
 
You are correct-supposedly anyways...

They DO have crazy weapons! And they got 2 lores to themselves! :( how come we couldn't get lore of the old ones? :(
 
Yeah I somewhat suspect the Vermin Lord will be the least of the worries... In any case, besides generic stuff which you have already mentioned (skink shooting) really can't say anything until we see confirmed statline and special rules. Who knows, it could have some great big gaping weakness.


....... BAHAHAHAHA :D
 
strewart said:
... In any case, besides generic stuff which you have already mentioned (skink shooting) really can't say anything until we see confirmed statline and special rules. Who knows, it could have some great big gaping weakness.


....... BAHAHAHAHA :D
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SIGGED!

And...Ive seen its statline, its faster then our cavalry, but has a save as weak as a close combat fighting skink with shield.....
 
Dumbledore said:
I don't get the joke :depressed:
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My guess is that he was implying that skaven are so broken, that it's impossible for the verminlord to have a big gaping weakness. :jawdrop:

Kajchi
 
It IS approx 500 pts, and only has a 5+ wardsave, the joke is, GW doesn't know how to make balanced stuff
 
Personally I'd only say whether it's balanced or not once a few months of the army being out is over. A month before the book is even out our information is partial and not fully reliable (ie the details of stats or the intricacies of mechanics, eg regarding warpstone use for PD etc etc) and I honestly don't think you can judge truly whether something is balanced or not until you've seen it play against a wide range of armies. Having the book in your hands can give you a good hint, but a blurry vision of the book... not something I'd trust to speak on, let alone authoritatively.
 
Dumbledore said:
Personally I'd only say whether it's balanced or not once a few months of the army being out is over. A month before the book is even out our information is partial and not fully reliable (ie the details of stats or the intricacies of mechanics, eg regarding warpstone use for PD etc etc) and I honestly don't think you can judge truly whether something is balanced or not until you've seen it play against a wide range of armies. Having the book in your hands can give you a good hint, but a blurry vision of the book... not something I'd trust to speak on, let alone authoritatively.
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i agree.
 
I agree too, although my best friend is gonna be going to take a lookie soon...

and new rumours say it might do d3 wounds...
 
Your local GW store should have the Skaven rule book in by this Friday. :walkingdead:
 
ColdBlood666 said:
I thought it wasnt gonna be released till early november??
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GW stores always get a pre release store copy to read through and show to players. They also get a few of the models really early to put together and excite people with.

@Dumbledore, yeah that is the philosophy I usually follow and almost always the screaming dies down within a month or two of release, daemons excepted. (Nothing personal from me, I've never had to face them)

However, in the case of Skaven, they were very powerful before, and are quite an old book yet still competitive which shows just how good they were in the day. And they are only going to get ramped up not down, who is going to buy them if they are made worse? I will admit I have somewhat of an unreasonable dislike for the rat fellows, they seem completely unbalanced. While almost every army has a weakness or is costed so they can only field enough to be strong in one or two aspects of the game, Skaven can easily afford the points to have a horde in the numbers of 200 at 2k PLUS quite strong magic (and a very very deadly lore to go with it) PLUS very powerful and brutal shooting. Leadership a weakness? We'll slap them with a special rule to improve leadership with ranks. Soft characters? Eh let them fight from the back and still get full benefit. Allow them to be the only army to shoot into combat too while we're at it. They just seem to get so many special rules to cover any weaknesses the may have.

Anyway, I know as well as anyone that complaining won't help anything. I'll just fight them when I have to, give it my best and see what happens. Surely it cannot be as bad as when my poor little 6th ed High Elves marched forward and got entire units wiped out in one go from shooting or magic. :P

Back on topic, the Vermin Lord's stats have somewhat been put up in the Skaven thread. It remains to be seen whether we can try to crumble him as a daemon or whether he is more likely to run away. I definitely think long range is the big weakness, and skinks will enjoy poking him. I don't think he is such a worry though, at 500 points and not able to be the general he probably won't be seen until 3k in most lists.
 
@ Strewart / Back on topic, the Vermin Lord's stats have somewhat been put up in the Skaven thread.

Where is this thread i couldn't find it all i could find was pics of the models. Thanks in advance for the help.
 
General Chat... i guess someone (ie. me) should shift those threads to lesser races.

Verminlord: 500 points.
profile: 8 8 4 6 5 5 10 5 8
Special rules: Flee + 1, Immune to psychology, Terror, great target, 5+ ward save, Sorcerer lvl 4. He counts as a demon.
The vermin lord may not be the general of your army.
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In addition, does d3 wounds per wound.
 
Flee +1 indicates that the Vlord can INDEED flee...unless its pointless..

This the Vlord can't be general tidbit is weird...why would it not be?

But then again..I like my enemies generals squishy...like elves!

Elves special rule: Squishy: All models in the elves army have toughness 3, for they have week flesh and are very squishy beings, unlike the tougher races....if the elf has more then toughness 3 he's probably on something....
 
It could be just an army wide rule the extra flee distance, and his daemonic status cancels that out... Don't know, will have to wait for further confirmation.

Hmmm yes elf lords are so squishy that unless you stick them on a huge dragon they simply aren't worth running, my general is a cheap arse noble rather than a prince.
 
Yea the skaven basically have a greater daemon (kinda like a keeper?) and its not like its leading a somewhat small and outnumbered army like in daemons of chaos...its leading a horde army! which will have a dozen other threats on every part of the table. Skaven will be a tuff nut to crack but I think if I go against them im gonna sit in a corner and let them come to me so hopefully they will have more time to do all thier crazy little do-dads and gadgets and hopefully hurt themself more before they make it to my line.

Im really not looking forward to playing against one or more hell pit monsters AND the vermin lord AND rat ogres up the wazzoo. You would probebly need a really broken list to deal with that and come out on top. Well atleast this takes some heat off of the poor daemons....
 
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