8th Ed. Creating my army

[The Great White Lizard]

Hello all!

I'm creating a 2000 point army list for Lizardmen. It's not very conventional, but I like where I am right now. I'm trying to play with a friend who has just gotten into WHFB and is playing wood elves, but because of COVID it's uncertain when we'll be able to. (Those mahrlect skaven!) If we do, I'll be sure to upload the battlerep. Anyway, here's the list.

Lords:
Slann Mage Priest (Lord Ixlotl)
Focus of Mystery, Becalming Cogitation, Harmonic Convergence
Channeling Staff, Banner of Discipline, Dispel Scroll


Heroes:
Scar Vet on Carnosaur (Nka'loq)
Armor of Destiny, Shield, Spear


Scar Vet on Foot (Proxying w/ Gor Rok)
Sword (Mace) of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Light Armor


Core:
29 Saurus Warriors (Scar Vet goes here)
full command, sword and board


11 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


12 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


Special:
20 Temple Guard
full command


Rare:
Ancient Stegadon
Sharpened Horns

Total: 1999 Points

Any suggestions? I am definitely running it pretty heavy in the lords and heroes slot. Any tactical advice for playing against wood elves? At least they don't have cannons so I don't have to worry about Nka'loq getting annihilated Turn One. Any responses are much appreciated.

The Great White Lizard

 

[Lizards of Renown]

Hello all!

I'm creating a 2000 point army list for Lizardmen. It's not very conventional, but I like where I am right now. I'm trying to play with a friend who has just gotten into WHFB and is playing wood elves, but because of COVID it's uncertain when we'll be able to. (Those mahrlect skaven!) If we do, I'll be sure to upload the battlerep. Anyway, here's the list.

Lords:
Slann Mage Priest (Lord Ixlotl)
Focus of Mystery, Becalming Cogitation, Harmonic Convergence
Channeling Staff, Banner of Discipline, Dispel Scroll


Heroes:
Scar Vet on Carnosaur (Nka'loq)
Armor of Destiny, Shield, Spear


Scar Vet on Foot (Proxying w/ Gor Rok)
Sword (Mace) of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Light Armor


Core:
29 Saurus Warriors (Scar Vet goes here)
full command, sword and board


11 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


12 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


Special:
20 Temple Guard
full command


Rare:
Ancient Stegadon
Sharpened Horns

Total: 1999 Points

Any suggestions? I am definitely running it pretty heavy in the lords and heroes slot. Any tactical advice for playing against wood elves? At least they don't have cannons so I don't have to worry about Nka'loq getting annihilated Turn One. Any responses are much appreciated.

The Great White Lizard

I saw this and wanted to post immediately as I'm excited about seeing your 8th list!

I'll chew over it a bit more, but you've got to have something you can do about the inevitable archer blocks that will be whittling your Saurus down as you advance.

I'd say get Tiq'tak'to and some Terradons and then you can do ambush. Or just invest in more Skinks so that he has to start worrying about these little guys getting to the archers. The thing is that Wood Elves also have decent light cavalry which are a good counter to the skinks (since they die in droves in combat).

I'd either the Tiq'Tak'To combo Terradons, or two units of Terradons, use their superior movement to get to the archers asap.

But let me have a think about this (making lists is easily my favourite part of 8th Edition )

 

[Morglum]

I don't know alot about wood elves never played against them. They do have excellent shooting units right? I'm always very carefull to bring large targets against heavy shooting armies. That aside you got two large targets so one will most likely get into combat unscratched.

Kinda confused why you would take the banner of discipline. You already roll on 9s for ld and you are ItP and stubborn.

For the rest it looks like a decent army

Edit: you didn't say so in your op, but i asume your slann is a bsb (most likely otherwise he can't take a banner right?) and that he goes in your TG unit?

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Kinda confused why you would take the banner of discipline. You already roll on 9s for ld and you are ItP and stubborn.

Personally I love the Banner of Discipline on the Slann. You're essentially unbreakable at that point and the banner is really cheap.

 

[Morglum]

Personally I love the Banner of Discipline on the Slann. You're essentially unbreakable at that point and the banner is really cheap.

But you are already testing on LD 9 with cold blooded rule and can reroll because of bsb. If you put him in TGs you are already stubborn and ItP. Could be that i'm missing something.

Personally i never really take a magic banner with my slann. There just aren't really good ones to pick from. War banner maybe, then you get +3 combat resolution, BSB, warbanner and standard banner in TGs unit no?

Edit: also they can not use the generals LD for inspiring presence, they got 9 now themself (TGs), the slann has 10 now. But i just don't see the difference as if you would not take it.

Sorry if i'm difficult or something, just trying to see the bigger picture

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

But you are already testing on LD 9 with cold blooded rule and den reroll because of bsb. If you put him in TGs you are already stubborn and ItP. Could be that i'm missing something

You're not missing anything, LD cold-blooded with a re-roll is already pretty amazing. The Banner of Discipline just turns a "sure thing" into a "really sure thing". Giving all units in the general's bubble leadership 10 is a beautiful thing.

 

[Lizards of Renown]

But you are already testing on LD 9 with cold blooded rule and can reroll because of bsb. If you put him in TGs you are already stubborn and ItP. Could be that i'm missing something.

Personally i never really take a magic banner with my slann. There just aren't really good ones to pick from. War banner maybe, then you get +3 combat resolution, BSB, warbanner and standard banner in TGs unit no?

Everything you say is true. But now factor in testing on Leadership 10 rather than 9, with three dice and re-rollable due to BSB. You have a slightly better score then.

 

[Morglum]

Everything you say is true. But now factor in testing on Leadership 10 rather than 9, with three dice and re-rollable due to BSB. You have a slightly better score then.

But your TGs can't use the LD of your slann because of the banner, so it's still testing on 9. If you read the rules of the banner not even your slann can use it's own LD? Or i'm reading to much into it again

 

[Lizards of Renown]

But your TGs can't use the LD of your slann because of the banner, so it's still testing on 9. If you read the rules of the banner not even your slann can use it's own LD? Or i'm reading to much into it again

The Banner says the models in the unit can't use the General's Inspiring Presence rule (12" leadership bubble) but your general is IN your unit, so not a problem. Plus as @NIGHTBRINGER says it gives a Leadership 10 bubble for all other units in 12".

 

[Morglum]

Right i can see the benefit (other units get LD 10 as well). Sorry if i highjacked the thread a bit.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

But your TGs can't use the LD of your slann because of the banner, so it's still testing on 9. If you read the rules of the banner not even your slann can use it's own LD? Or i'm reading to much into it again

The Banner says the models in the unit can't use the General's Inspiring Presence rule (12" leadership bubble) but your general is IN your unit, so not a problem. Plus as @NIGHTBRINGER says it gives a Leadership 10 bubble for all other units in 12".

Here is the FAQ reference for the question:

 

[The Great White Lizard]

you didn't say so in your op, but i asume your slann is a bsb (most likely otherwise he can't take a banner right?) and that he goes in your TG unit?

Gah! I forgot about the point cost for BSB. The reasoning for the Banner of Discipline is, as Nightbringer and Lizards of Renown said, 10 LD cold blooded is practically unfailable. I'm going to edit the army list a bit to clear some things up.

I'd say get Tiq'tak'to and some Terradons and then you can do ambush. Or just invest in more Skinks so that he has to start worrying about these little guys getting to the archers. The thing is that Wood Elves also have decent light cavalry which are a good counter to the skinks (since they die in droves in combat).

Opponent is definitely taking a lot of archers and light cav. I think a 10 model Glade Rider unit and 5 Sisters of the Thorn. I definitely think that Tik'Taq'To and a terradon squad are good for annoying the archers, but I'm curious as to why Terradons are better than Rippers. Espicially if I toad the Glade Guard, they should tear the unit to shreads. I also happen to have an unassemled terradon/ripperdactl box so it works out quite nicely. I might sub some saurus and perhaps the scar vet to include the rippers and the Slann BSB. Thanks for the thoughts!

 

[Morglum]

One thing you have to take in mind when taking rippers is that they are frenzy, so they have to charge a unit if it is within 22 inch (10m + 2 sixes), unless they pass a LD test. If your slann is close no prob, but since they fly your slann isn't going to be close long.

 

[Morglum]

Here is the FAQ reference for the question:

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Ah so there is a q&a about it, thank god i'm not the only one thinking it

 

[Lizards of Renown]

Gah! I forgot about the point cost for BSB. The reasoning for the Banner of Discipline is, as Nightbringer and Lizards of Renown said, 10 LD cold blooded is practically unfailable. I'm going to edit the army list a bit to clear some things up

Nope. Temple Guard can take a banner up to 50 points. You're fine. You just won't get the Leadership 10 bubble effect.

 

[The Great White Lizard]

One thing you have to take in mind when taking rippers is that they are frenzy, so they have to charge a unit if it is within 22 inch (10m + 2 sixes), unless they pass a LD test. If your slann is close no prob, but since they fly your slann isn't going to be close long.

Ahh this is true. Also with Tiq'Tak'To, I can upgrade the unit to have ambushers and fly down right on top of them. However, Tiq'Tak'To is quite pricy and that + 3 terradon riders are going to eat into my points a lot. I think I might just take 2 units of terradons. (Which you also suggested) With 10 inch movement they should be able to get to the archers pretty fast, and I don't fancy my chances on a 5 LD test. (Even if it's cold blooded). The terradons will at least tie the archers down for 2 Turns, and Drop Rocks will hopefully kill 2 or 3 per unit.

Nope. Temple Guard can take a banner up to 50 points. You're fine. You just won't get the Leadership 10 bubble effect.

Yes, but the reason I was taking the BoD was because of the bubble of LD 10 inspiring presence.

Here's my revised list:

Lords:
Slann Mage Priest (Lord Ixlotl)
Focus of Mystery, Becalming Cogitation, Harmonic Convergence, BSB
Channeling Staff, Dispel Scroll, Banner of Disipline


Heroes:
Scar Vet on Carnosaur (Nka'loq)
Armor of Destiny, Shield, Spear


Scar Vet on Foot (Proxying w/ Gor Rok)
Sword (Mace) of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Light Armor


Core:
29 Saurus Warriors (Scar Vet goes here)
full command, sword and board


12 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


12 Skink Skirmishers
patrol leader


Special:
20 Temple Guard
full command

3 Terradon Riders


3 Terradon Riders



Total: 1998 Points

It was a bit painful to remove my Steggie but it had to be done. This list definitely feels better. I think I will keep my skink blocks close (ish) to either my saurus or TG blocks so I can charge if they decide to go after them with the light cav. Thanks for all the advice, really helpful!

 

[The Great White Lizard]

My opponent is having a bit of trouble getting his army together, and only has a few models painted up and ready to go. We're supposed to play sometime later this week so he suggested that we do 500 or 750 points to accommodate. The best laid plans... Ah well. He hasn't gotten back to me on the exact list but I know he's running Glade Riders, a Sister of the Thron unit, and some Dryads. Here's my modified list:

500 Point List:
Lords:
Old Blood
Carnosaur, Gambler's Armor, Sword of Striking, Enchanted Shield

Core:
11 Skink Skirmishers

502 Points
I know this isn't technically legal as it exceeds the lord limit by a very large amount. However, my opponent is fine with it, and I'm tempted to run it just for the satisfaction of watching a beautiful model tear units to absolute shreads

Alternative 500 point list:
Heroes
Scar Vet
Gambler's Armor, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Battle

Core
15 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears


13 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader


12 Skink Skirmishers
501 Points
More solid, but a bit on the boring side. Also, those archers are going to be mean




750 Point List:
Heroes:
Scar Vet Cowboy
Sword of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone
150 Points

Core:
15 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears
191 Points

13 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader
101 Points

11 Skink Cohort, 1 Kroxigor
105 Points

Special:
5 Cold One Riders
Spears, Full Command

Total: 747 Points

The COR should shred his archers quite nicely, and the skrox should be nice for stopping his cav. I'd like to see any unit of wood elves in a 750 point list deal with that Scar Vet in close combat!

I'd really appreciate any suggestions. Once we play (Probably Friday or Saturday) I'll be sure to upload the battlerep.

The Great White Lizard

 

[Lizards of Renown]

My opponent is having a bit of trouble getting his army together, and only has a few models painted up and ready to go. We're supposed to play sometime later this week so he suggested that we do 500 or 750 points to accommodate. The best laid plans... Ah well. He hasn't gotten back to me on the exact list but I know he's running Glade Riders, a Sister of the Thron unit, and some Dryads. Here's my modified list:

500 Point List:
Lords:
Old Blood
Carnosaur, Gambler's Armor, Sword of Striking, Enchanted Shield

Core:
11 Skink Skirmishers

502 Points
I know this isn't technically legal as it exceeds the lord limit by a very large amount. However, my opponent is fine with it, and I'm tempted to run it just for the satisfaction of watching a beautiful model tear units to absolute shreads

Alternative 500 point list:
Heroes
Scar Vet
Gambler's Armor, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Battle

Core
15 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears


13 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader


12 Skink Skirmishers
501 Points
More solid, but a bit on the boring side. Also, those archers are going to be mean




750 Point List:
Heroes:
Scar Vet Cowboy
Sword of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone
150 Points

Core:
15 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears
191 Points

13 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader
101 Points

11 Skink Cohort, 1 Kroxigor
105 Points

Special:
5 Cold One Riders
Spears, Full Command

Total: 747 Points

The COR should shred his archers quite nicely, and the skrox should be nice for stopping his cav. I'd like to see any unit of wood elves in a 750 point list deal with that Scar Vet in close combat!

I'd really appreciate any suggestions. Once we play (Probably Friday or Saturday) I'll be sure to upload the battlerep.

The Great White Lizard

Meh, at this points level your list seems decent.

I have reservations about the skink skirmisher unit as they will be the first to get nobbled by his archers... and IMHO, Skrox units are terrible in combat as the skinks bleed combat resolution. Or the opponent just kills off the krox and then they're left with their crappy leadership.

I would advise taking another Skink Skirmisher and bulking out the Saurus. The Skirmishers can hopefully deal with the light cavalry or be a distraction to be shot at by his archers. The Saurus needs to be bulky enough to absorb some damage and still be able to have a fighting chance in combat.

That's my 2 pence worth mate

 

[The Great White Lizard]

Meh, at this points level your list seems decent.

I have reservations about the skink skirmisher unit as they will be the first to get nobbled by his archers... and IMHO, Skrox units are terrible in combat as the skinks bleed combat resolution. Or the opponent just kills off the krox and then they're left with their crappy leadership.

I would advise taking another Skink Skirmisher and bulking out the Saurus. The Skirmishers can hopefully deal with the light cavalry or be a distraction to be shot at by his archers. The Saurus needs to be bulky enough to absorb some damage and still be able to have a fighting chance in combat.

That's my 2 pence worth mate

Good Point. Here's my revised list

Heroes:
Scar Vet Cowboy
Sword of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone


Core:
19 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears


10 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader

10 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader

Special:
5 Cold One Riders
Spears, Full Command

Total: 749 Points

Thanks for the feedback! I'm also considering taking a salamander because it's going to be quite strong against dryads which are flammable. (I think?)
Also thoughts on the scar vet? I like the fact that he has a 1+ rerollable but I'm not sure it's going to do much if he takes the Enchanted Arrow that gives -3 to armor saves. That's a negative 4 total with AP, which means the 1+goes to a 5+ rerollable, which is not nearly as impressive. I might be better off going for a talisman of preservation or something like armor of fortune for the ward save. I'm also considering going terradons or rippers.

 

[Lizards of Renown]

Good Point. Here's my revised list

Heroes:
Scar Vet Cowboy
Sword of Battle, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone


Core:
19 Saurus Warriors
Full Command, Spears


10 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader

10 Skink Skirmishers
Patrol Leader

Special:
5 Cold One Riders
Spears, Full Command

Total: 749 Points

Thanks for the feedback! I'm also considering taking a salamander because it's going to be quite strong against dryads which are flammable. (I think?)
Also thoughts on the scar vet? I like the fact that he has a 1+ rerollable but I'm not sure it's going to do much if he takes the Enchanted Arrow that gives -3 to armor saves. That's a negative 4 total with AP, which means the 1+goes to a 5+ rerollable, which is not nearly as impressive. I might be better off going for a talisman of preservation or something like armor of fortune for the ward save. I'm also considering going terradons or rippers.

Looks good. I agree with you on the ward save. For Wood Elves, I wouldn't do Terradons or Rippers as they will be shot to pieces before they get to the enemy.

Do a battle report in the WFB section once you've played!