8th Ed. Best Triumph & Treachery Mercenaries for Lizzies

[Zakharov]

So, we've had quite a while to play the T&T expansion. My group have been playing thus far with no mercenaries (to eek a little more value from the hideously expensive book) but that might well be about to change.

I'm looking for a good pairing for lizzies - likely in the 400pt mark (for a 2k point game) - and wondered what people have been having any luck with. The tempting choice is just an engineer and great cannon(s) but I'd also like to choose mercenaries that run with the lizardmen fluff.

At the moment, I'm thinking;

- Some combination of daemons of chaos (slann summons the lizardmens greatest foes in a blighted ceremony not heard since the time of the old ones, etc etc), probably a herald of khorne and some juggernauts for bloodthirsty nastiness.

- Some Dark Elf slaves captured by the intrepid lizardmen in one of the recent raids, forced to fight for their freedom or face the sacrificial pits. Probably DE repeater xbows, maybe an assassin.

- Vile skaven forces, similarly captured and being forced to fight.

I particularly like the idea of pairing with an evil choice, as it would make more sense if they were to switch allegiance halfway through the game. Picking something like elves would leave a bad taste in the mouth when they mysteriously changed to side with VC or Chaos. But at the same time, it would be nice to have something that compliments lizzie playstyle.

The boring option is to make a great cannon out of a palm tree and call them pirates from the lustrian coastline!

 

[GCPD]

3-4 Demis, mounted on big lizards.
1 Great Cannon
1 Master Engineer

The theme is Lost Samurai - an Empire expeditionary force in Lustria gets wiped out, and the survivors are captured by the Lizardmen and used to learn about gunnery, etc, whereupon they start going 'native' and dressing up like Lizardmen.

 

[Zakharov]

3-4 Demis, mounted on big lizards.
1 Great Cannon
1 Master Engineer

The theme is Lost Samurai - an Empire expeditionary force in Lustria gets wiped out, and the survivors are captured by the Lizardmen and used to learn about gunnery, etc, whereupon they start going 'native' and dressing up like Lizardmen.

I like it - monstrous cavalry fits well. And it's always nice to have some more monsters in the list!

 

[Mr Phat]

funny, as late as yesterday I made a list of things I would like to play with if Allies became an 9th option.

how is the rules is exactly?
there most be a character or how is it?


I would simply love to field a unit of ushabtis with great bows for those S6 5+to hit goodies...sadly they dont have any protection, so maybe a Necrotect will do wonders? throw him on the side of a TG horde...there, you now have S6 30'' firepower and your TG's have hatred.

so

Ushabtis + Necrotect

also

Frostheart phoenix and a Lvl 4 archmage can be fit into a 500pts allowance, also giving you extra room in your lord section since you can leave out the slann.

ogre kingdoms...well, how about a slaughtermaster/butcher to join your krox unit and some mournefang on the side?
Lore of the great maw works nicely with lizards!

you could also mount a vampire to bring with your scar-boys in the CoR unit.
Make him ASF and suddenly its okay that the rest of the unit is I2.


so many awesome options.

 

[Silverbolt]

@Phatmotha: it is my understanding from playing with my T&T group that your allies can't join your main army units. So, a mounted vampire could ride along right next to the CoR, but not technically join the unit. Real shame....

 

[Putzfrau]

If allies come to 9th I might have to say goodbye to warhammer.

Allies have absolutely ruined the 40k competitive scene. I hope GW doesn't migrate them to fantasy.

Personally I think ogres would be fun. Mourn fang and cannons. But that right there is exactly why I think allies should be excluded outside of TandT. Too easy to cherry pick units your army was never balanced around having.

 

[Zakharov]

I would simply love to field a unit of ushabtis with great bows for those S6 5+to hit goodies...sadly they dont have any protection, so maybe a Necrotect will do wonders? throw him on the side of a TG horde...there, you now have S6 30'' firepower and your TG's have hatred.

Sounds pretty interesting, but how do you fit TK into the lizzie fluff? Maybe a southlands army?...

Frostheart phoenix and a Lvl 4 archmage can be fit into a 500pts allowance, also giving you extra room in your lord section since you can leave out the slann.

Pretty risky, as T&T mercenaries have -1Ld and there's a chance that they'll switch sides if they ever fail a panic test. Whilst it's unlikely that a HE mage will ever even take a panic test, let alone fail one, I'd still be scared to put all my magical eggs in that basket.

 

[Pinktaco]

If allies come to 9th I might have to say goodbye to warhammer.

Allies have absolutely ruined the 40k competitive scene. I hope GW doesn't migrate them to fantasy.

Personally I think ogres would be fun. Mourn fang and cannons. But that right there is exactly why I think allies should be excluded outside of TandT. Too easy to cherry pick units your army was never balanced around having.

Yeah it sounds like something that could easily evolve into just acquiring the best of the best <.<

 

[Zakharov]

If allies come to 9th I might have to say goodbye to warhammer.

You can always just say "no" to 9th!

 

[Kroq]

I'm fluffy player so for T&T i'd take, Empire, Ogres as they are really mercenaries or maybe a marauder heavy woc to represent Skeggi

 

[Mr Phat]

Sounds pretty interesting, but how do you fit TK into the lizzie fluff? Maybe a southlands army?...

There is plenty of fluff supporting the Slann's necromantic abilities.
Dont remember the book but I read a passage from a novel where a skeletal Slann ressurected himself and a whole legion of dead saurus.
.
that and Kroak himself.
Also: im pretty sure that the fluff states that Tomb Kings and Lizardmen had something to do with eachother in ancient times.

Fluff could be like:

"Skink oracle on Troglodon named BLAH
in search of ancient artifact Bleh
he is lead to a bluh where an ancient long dead servant of the old ones its laid to rest together with the artifact as well as his personal bodyguards, the ushabti + whatever you want to fit in from the TK army"

Ive always thought those snake-folks would fit into lizardmen....I really think Sotek miss some representation, given the importance he has for the Lizardmens future development.

 

[Noveltyboy]

I have been using a cheap necromancer and spirit swarms or banshees in tnt. Ethereal stuff screws people up and multiple units makes it harder to shut your mercs down. Just keep the necromancer safe or your points are wasted.

 

[Pofadder]

Arachnarok Spider...

Captured after a battle with OnG. Piqued the skinks' interest to try and tame him...

 

[Scalenex]

While my fluff Slann has established incomplete control over a vampire lord.

For the table top, I would go with whatever non-LM models you have in your collection that look cool before you go with tactics or fluff.

Tactics wise, artillery is what you want.

Fluff wise, the weirdest you can justify is what you want. Unless you have personal army fluff, then go with that.

 

[Zakharov]

For the table top, I would go with whatever non-LM models you have in your collect that look cool before you go with tactics or fluff.

Truer words have never been spoken. This hobby is expensive enough as it is!

Tactics wise, artillery is what you want.

Not so sure about this though. Artillery is already pretty hard to keep safe for long in T&T, also there are cards that can shut them down for a turn and if they're mercenaries on top of that, people can bid to have them not fire.

All that makes artillery a less attractive choice... unless you get multiple cannons/war machines, of course!

 

[Valdus]

I've been in a campaign (1 game per month) that is rising from 1000 points to 2000 points over the year. So far at 1000 points I've been taking the full 200 points of mercs as Skaven - a level 1 warlock engineer who keeps Scorch if her rolls it and swaps anything else for warp lightning, and a warp lightning cannon. The engineer has a Doomrocket as well.

So far the added "boom" from the skaven has been pretty useful in making up for the lack of ranged heavy hitting. The cannon can try and shoot down other war machines and monsters or snipe off the last couple models of a unit to get the victory points. The warlock's damage spell means I can run Beasts on the priest and still have some offensive magic. Doomrockets are glorious when they work.

This month I'll be able to take 300 points of mercs... I think I'll add a second cannon for even more artillery fun. Either that, or a high elf noble on griffon to set up flank charges.

 

[Mr Phat]

This month I'll be able to take 300 points of mercs... I think I'll add a second cannon for even more artillery fun. Either that, or a high elf noble on griffon to set up flank charges.

and so it begins.

 

[Lizardmatt]

Take both of the empire buff wagons.

+1 to hit is really nice on lizardmen.
6+ ward doesn't hurt, and the +1 power and dispel dice is pretty sweet.
With the remaining 150 points, I'd grab a warrior priest and a small bodyguard.

-Matt

 

[GreatEscape_13]

If allies come to 9th I might have to say goodbye to warhammer.

Allies have absolutely ruined the 40k competitive scene. I hope GW doesn't migrate them to fantasy.

Technically they're already in Warhammer... check the rulebook, all the rules are right there. Now lots of tournaments don't allow them, but they're in the book.

In Warhammer, as long as there is story reason and the modeling matches, we never have a problem with allies. Mainly because if someone brings some broken combo to just win with, we say "okay, that was fine... don't do it again" and cool gamers usually understand that.

Cheers.

Andrew

 

[Putzfrau]

If allies come to 9th I might have to say goodbye to warhammer.

Allies have absolutely ruined the 40k competitive scene. I hope GW doesn't migrate them to fantasy.

Technically they're already in Warhammer... check the rulebook, all the rules are right there. Now lots of tournaments don't allow them, but they're in the book.

In Warhammer, as long as there is story reason and the modeling matches, we never have a problem with allies. Mainly because if someone brings some broken combo to just win with, we say "okay, that was fine... don't do it again" and cool gamers usually understand that.

Cheers.

Andrew

It's MUCH different than how allies are used in 40k. I am 100% aware of the fact that allies are in the current warhammer edition.

The way allies are set up now is fine.