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Greetings fellow lizards.
I have a few questions about how basing works in KOW, but I will jot down what I know first:
Individual Model Base Sizes.
Normal infantry- 25 mm square base (size of a saurus/orc base)
Large infantry- 40 mm square base (size of a kroxigor/ogre base; some are larger)
Cavalry models- 25x50 mm (size of saurus cav/bretonnian knight base)
Monsters and war engines- 50 mm square base (this is only about half the size of a stegadon base because it is so long)
Heroes fit on relevant base sizes.
Common Unit Base Sizes
I am just going to stick with infantry and cav for simplicity sake:
Infantry (25mm)
Cavalry (25x50mm):
Here are my questions:
1) Total Base sizes- I am trying to see if the bases I have would currently fit into a KOW match as well as a standard 8th ed warhammer game. My movement trays make a standard saurus-infantry regiment (which would normally be just 100x80mm) about 2cm~ longer on each side, making the unit actually around 140x115mm (i just measured one of my 5x4 units). Would this get me into trouble, as in should I consider making smaller movement trays or movement trays that don't increase the size of the overall unit?
2) Man-sized infantry- What about smaller infantry like skinks or normal man-sized models, as in smaller than standard saurus? In looking at my skinks they are all mounted on 20 mm bases, how big of an issue is this during a KOW match? Or does KOW actually take this into account and I didnt realize it.
3) Skirmish multi-bases- One of the ways I have thought about fixing the above skink problem is mounting them on a multi-base, big enough to support a "troop" sized element. Is this possible? I was thinking of making a "broader" multi-base, with each of the individual skink models not actually touching each other, leaving room for swampy-terrain in the middle.
4) Do skinks still skirmish- Do the skink-version in KOW (geckos i think?) still skirmish in the rules, as in they move in a scattered/loose formation across the battlefield?
5) The Stegadon- is it an issue that the square warhammer stegadon base is so long (50x100mm instead of 50x50mm)? It would be the same issue with the carnosaur and the troglodon I believe.
6) Bretonnian Lance Formation- Shifting focus from the Lizardmen and turning to Bretonnians, how do their cavalry bases work. In the old warhammer 6th ed rules, the "lance formation" meant they would fight in rows of 3 instead of the traditional rows of five, resulting in very long columns of charging knights. Does the KOW Bretonnian variant take this into account, or in the event I play a KOW game will I have to reorganize my knightly units into rows of 5 instead?
This is what I was thinking doing some quick calculations, using the old Bretonnian lance formation:
Bretonnian Lance Formation- Cavalry (25x50mm):
I have a few questions about how basing works in KOW, but I will jot down what I know first:
Individual Model Base Sizes.
Normal infantry- 25 mm square base (size of a saurus/orc base)
Large infantry- 40 mm square base (size of a kroxigor/ogre base; some are larger)
Cavalry models- 25x50 mm (size of saurus cav/bretonnian knight base)
Monsters and war engines- 50 mm square base (this is only about half the size of a stegadon base because it is so long)
Heroes fit on relevant base sizes.
Common Unit Base Sizes
I am just going to stick with infantry and cav for simplicity sake:
Infantry (25mm)
Troop (10 models in a 5x2 formation- 125x50mm)
Regiment (20 models in a 5x4 formation- 125x100mm)
Horde (lots of models, not sure how many, maybe 50?- 250x150mm)
Regiment (20 models in a 5x4 formation- 125x100mm)
Horde (lots of models, not sure how many, maybe 50?- 250x150mm)
Cavalry (25x50mm):
Troop (5 models- 125x50mm)
Regiment (10 models in a 5x2 formation- 125x100mm)
Horde (20 models?, not sure what kind of formation- 250x100mm)
Regiment (10 models in a 5x2 formation- 125x100mm)
Horde (20 models?, not sure what kind of formation- 250x100mm)
Here are my questions:
1) Total Base sizes- I am trying to see if the bases I have would currently fit into a KOW match as well as a standard 8th ed warhammer game. My movement trays make a standard saurus-infantry regiment (which would normally be just 100x80mm) about 2cm~ longer on each side, making the unit actually around 140x115mm (i just measured one of my 5x4 units). Would this get me into trouble, as in should I consider making smaller movement trays or movement trays that don't increase the size of the overall unit?
2) Man-sized infantry- What about smaller infantry like skinks or normal man-sized models, as in smaller than standard saurus? In looking at my skinks they are all mounted on 20 mm bases, how big of an issue is this during a KOW match? Or does KOW actually take this into account and I didnt realize it.
3) Skirmish multi-bases- One of the ways I have thought about fixing the above skink problem is mounting them on a multi-base, big enough to support a "troop" sized element. Is this possible? I was thinking of making a "broader" multi-base, with each of the individual skink models not actually touching each other, leaving room for swampy-terrain in the middle.
4) Do skinks still skirmish- Do the skink-version in KOW (geckos i think?) still skirmish in the rules, as in they move in a scattered/loose formation across the battlefield?
5) The Stegadon- is it an issue that the square warhammer stegadon base is so long (50x100mm instead of 50x50mm)? It would be the same issue with the carnosaur and the troglodon I believe.
6) Bretonnian Lance Formation- Shifting focus from the Lizardmen and turning to Bretonnians, how do their cavalry bases work. In the old warhammer 6th ed rules, the "lance formation" meant they would fight in rows of 3 instead of the traditional rows of five, resulting in very long columns of charging knights. Does the KOW Bretonnian variant take this into account, or in the event I play a KOW game will I have to reorganize my knightly units into rows of 5 instead?
This is what I was thinking doing some quick calculations, using the old Bretonnian lance formation:
Bretonnian Lance Formation- Cavalry (25x50mm):
Troop (6 models in a 3x2 formation- 75x100mm)
Regiment (9 models in a 3x3 formation- 75x150mm)
Horde (12 models in a 3x9 formation- 75x200mm) this seems a bit small for a horde though, maybe another one at 15 models?
Like I said I am curious how easy it would be to use the models/movement trays I currently have in my collection in a KOW battle, because they are currently built with 8th-ed warhammer rules in mind. Any expertise would be very helpful and appreciated! Regiment (9 models in a 3x3 formation- 75x150mm)
Horde (12 models in a 3x9 formation- 75x200mm) this seems a bit small for a horde though, maybe another one at 15 models?
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