Adherents of Haset: An Unofficial AOS Race (Previously The Hathorians)

[Sudsinabucket]

Not tracking what the stuff is on his cheeks?

Oh lol i get it now, its just a continuation of his shoulder armor. Blue represents clouds, yellow represents light, the birch white represents the earth below each of the other two

Very symbolic

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

Great work on your conversions mate, but any sign of the rules for them?

 

[Sudsinabucket]

Working on two warscrolls today, hoping to have them posted today or tomorrow Haset and Parvat’Shakti.

The issue for me, is its hard to write rules for a game I've never played, so that'll probably be the slowest part. I honestly have no idea how I want my allegiance abilities to look at this point either.

One faction/allegiance ability I have thought of (maybe) is called Primordials of Hysh (name pending), being enlightened and with sharp senses, the Hathorian non-behemoth units get +1 attack when attacking

Like, I know I kind of want them to be a mix of Mawtribes, BoC & Lumineth

Mainly strong in melee, but supported by strong magic by a limited number of models (Haset, Heba and High Priestesses), with Whisperers (Stonemage/Stoneguard equivalents) being more focused on melee but with a few support spells

Im also still deciding on the roster as awhole, as I cant (or shouldn't) have only 50mm + bade sized units in the army... Definitely need some smaller units too.

Hoping to have more soon

 

[Sudsinabucket]

After feed back from a few people, I think I have Haset’s warscroll at a good place.

She is meant to be strong in melee and have good supportive capabilities, she is meant to be a top tier unit (Like Teclis, Alarielle, etc).

I wanted to make her semi unique, so her ability to cast 2 prayers (but still have tue ability for one of them to fail) I think is a fun but potent ability. She is definitely meant to fight on the front lines, empowering and defending those around her.

Let me know what you think

Pricing her at 550 points, need to test her still, edits to come as tests are done

Edit:

1. Haset’s command ability is to be edited slightly for better wording/flow:

You can use this command ability in the combat phase, when it is your turn to pick a unit to fight with. If you do so, pick up to 2 friendly HATHORIAN units that have already fought once in that combat phase and that are wholly within 12" of this model. Those units can be selected to fight for a second time if they are within 3" of any enemy units. You cannot pick the same unit to benefit from this command ability more than once in the same combat phase.

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2. Adding the keyword Hero

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

After feed back from a few people, I think I have Haset’s warscroll at a good place.

She is meant to be strong in melee and have good supportive capabilities, she is meant to be a top tier unit (Like Teclis, Alarielle, etc).

I wanted to make her semi unique, so her ability to cast 2 prayers (but still have tue ability for one of them to fail) I think is a fun but potent ability. She is definitely meant to fight on the front lines, empowering and defending those around her.

Let me know what you think

Pricing her at 550 points, need to test her still, edits to come as tests are done

Edit:

1. Haset’s command ability is to be edited slightly for better wording/flow:

You can use this command ability in the combat phase, when it is your turn to pick a unit to fight with. If you do so, pick up to 2 friendly HATHORIAN units that have already fought once in that combat phase and that are wholly within 12" of this model. Those units can be selected to fight for a second time if they are within 3" of any enemy units. You cannot pick the same unit to benefit from this command ability more than once in the same combat phase.

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2. Adding the keyword Hero

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Very interesting rules! I was going to mention that she should be a Hero, but I see you’ve already worked that out.

I can certainly see how you got some inspiration from Lumineth when working out the command abilities and prayers - getting up to two units of good Minotaurs to fight again is nasty!

It’s be fun to see how she’d do in a fight against some of the other god models, including my Settra, King of Kings. Given that she’s around 550 points and is similarly powerful, I wonder if I’ve priced Settra too high at 700.

 

[Sudsinabucket]

Very interesting rules! I was going to mention that she should be a Hero, but I see you’ve already worked that out.

I can certainly see how you got some inspiration from Lumineth when working out the command abilities and prayers - getting up to two units of good Minotaurs to fight again is nasty!

It’s be fun to see how she’d do in a fight against some of the other god models, including my Settra, King of Kings. Given that she’s around 550 points and is similarly powerful, I wonder if I’ve priced Settra too high at 700.

Thank you! I definitely wanted to make her unique but also not totally crazy, think she's there (on paper).

Yeah! Some Lumineth, Slaanesh, Seraphon, Pestilence influences all in there, but I think when its done will definitely feel its own... i hope!

I am also curious how she would do lol definitely going to be a hard hitter with decent survivability!

I like the prayers, think it adds a glimpse into how army will be... heavy hitters with good buffing, movement...but lack of shooting.

 

[Imrahil]

I like the Special rules/abilities you have written.
Some of them I should rephrase a little to avoid confusion or fit better with the turn sequence.

1.Weaver of prayers ability: is it mandatory to name the order in which the prayers go before roling?
You could also say: In your Hero Phase this model van attempt to chant 2 prayers. If it does so, pick 2 prayers. Make a prayer roll for the first prayer by rollig a dice. On a 1-3 it does not go off and on a 4+ it does. For your second prayer you do not have to make a prayer roll, it is chanted automaticly.

Grrr, Imrahil

P.S.: I'll write some more soon

 

[Sudsinabucket]

I like the Special rules/abilities you have written.
Some of them I should rephrase a little to avoid confusion or fit better with the turn sequence.

1.Weaver of prayers ability: is it mandatory to name the order in which the prayers go before roling?
You could also say: In your Hero Phase this model van attempt to chant 2 prayers. If it does so, pick 2 prayers. Make a prayer roll for the first prayer by rollig a dice. On a 1-3 it does not go off and on a 4+ it does. For your second prayer you do not have to make a prayer roll, it is chanted automaticly.

Grrr, Imrahil

P.S.: I'll write some more soon

Thanks!

So, I guess ultimately it doesn't matter. My original thought was to lake the player choose wisely depending on the current situation, knowing one may not go off. But i guess it made more sense in my head and less so the more I actually think about it.

The way you have it written now is oretty much the same, but cleaner and clearer... and still has the same possibility of not having one go off.

Looking forward to more of your thoughts!

Hoping to have Parvat’Shakti's warscroll out soon and a range unit (though the model wont be made for awhile)

 

[Imrahil]

The way you have it written now is oretty much the same, but cleaner and clearer... and still has the same possibility of not having one go off.

True but yours initially makes it possible to say: I want to do 2 prayers and make a roll -> outcome is a 1-3 so one will not go off and I can now choose which one.
So it makes die more tactical foresight. If you first pick and then roll

Grrr, Imrahil

 

[Sudsinabucket]

True but yours initially makes it possible to say: I want to do 2 prayers and make a roll -> outcome is a 1-3 so one will not go off and I can now choose which one.
So it makes die more tactical foresight. If you first pick and then roll

Grrr, Imrahil

Oh, i mean, originally youd have to declare which one was first, etc and then roll. It was never meant to be a, roll then pick.

Clearly this wasnt clear, so yeah lol to be made a bit clearer is good

 

[Imrahil]

Note in front: I am not familiar with the warscrolls of other legendary heroes or mighty models. So my comments on in game playability can be agrued about

2. At the start of the Prayer of Agility you don't need to state: in your Hero Phase. Because the prayer can only be chanted in the Hero Phase

3. Question about the prayer of protection: this means that from all wounds in a particularly phase only 1 can be attempted to be saved like this?
For example: the chosen unit is attacked and suffers 4 wounds. For the first wound the 'after save' is rolled and 3 (or 4 when failed) wounds are allocated?
Or does the 'after save' count for all wounds inflicted by this 1 unit and for the next unit that will inflicted wounds to the chosen unit in this same phase the 'after save' can not be used again?

4. In the prayer of the avalange you wrote about charging in the combat phase, but charging only happens in the move phase

5. Prayer of Iakhu seems pretty tough. Perhaps change "within 14"" to "wholly within 14""?

6. Avatar of Haixiah: if the opponent has priority he is to pick the first unit of his to fight with. So this ability will not effect that.
Also probably rephrase to: "When picking units to attack(or fight) with, in the combat phase, pick 2 enemy units... +1 to hit until your next turn. This ability can only be used once per battle"

That was it for now. And remembee, these are suggestions, so do with them as you please or see fit

Grrr, Imrahil

 

[Sudsinabucket]

It’s be fun to see how she’d do in a fight against some of the other god models, including my Settra, King of Kings. Given that she’s around 550 points and is similarly powerful, I wonder if I’ve priced Settra too high at 700.

I'm curious, have you thought about how you'd change your Settra at all?

 

[Sudsinabucket]

Note in front: I am not familiar with the warscrolls of other legendary heroes or mighty models. So my comments on in game playability can be agrued about

2. At the start of the Prayer of Agility you don't need to state: in your Hero Phase. Because the prayer can only be chanted in the Hero Phase

3. Question about the prayer of protection: this means that from all wounds in a particularly phase only 1 can be attempted to be saved like this?
For example: the chosen unit is attacked and suffers 4 wounds. For the first wound the 'after save' is rolled and 3 (or 4 when failed) wounds are allocated?
Or does the 'after save' count for all wounds inflicted by this 1 unit and for the next unit that will inflicted wounds to the chosen unit in this same phase the 'after save' can not be used again?

4. In the prayer of the avalange you wrote about charging in the combat phase, but charging only happens in the move phase

5. Prayer of Iakhu seems pretty tough. Perhaps change "within 14"" to "wholly within 14""?

6. Avatar of Haixiah: if the opponent has priority he is to pick the first unit of his to fight with. So this ability will not effect that.
Also probably rephrase to: "When picking units to attack(or fight) with, in the combat phase, pick 2 enemy units... +1 to hit until your next turn. This ability can only be used once per battle"

That was it for now. And remembee, these are suggestions, so do with them as you please or see fit

Grrr, Imrahil

Hey! Great thoughts so far, thanks!

So, we briefly talked this morning, and I had mentioned I edited a few things before passing out last night lol I went back and addressed #'s 2&4 as those were obvious things to be edited thank you

I'm just going to go down the list, some i may just ask for a bit more elaboration on your though

as for question #3 regarding the prayer of protection, with the way I read it, it would be the latter? each time you roll a 4+ the wound or mw it wouldn't apply. but if you attack that same unit again with a different unit, i couldn't then use this ability on that same unit again

#5: Prayer of iakhu, I'm actually going to change it a bit to 8" but on a 1-3 you do 2 MW and on a 4+ you do d3. So 6" shorter distance, but either way you're doing some damage. I think the 14" was probably a bit too far, especially as I'm attempting to make her more of a in your face fighter

#6: didn't think about it if they went first or whatever...good point, the rephrase makes sense for sure, so that'll happen

Thanks! I appreciate the input, anymore is welcome

 

[Sudsinabucket]

Updated Warscroll, i think she is definitely getting dialed in (on paper)! May test her against some Seraphon later lol I feel like I need more dice though? I only have 12 lol

Let me know your thoughts

Edits: Wording/Phrases for prayers, Prayer of Iakhu reduced to 8" (from 14") but also made 1-3 roll 2 MW with 4+ being D3 MW (changed from D3 and D6 wounds at 14")

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

I'm curious, have you thought about how you'd change your Settra at all?

I’m certainly thinking of giving him a second close combat weapon of some sort as all the other god models have more than one, including Haset. The Blessed Blade of Ptra I’m happy with, but I feel he deserves to have something else alongside it to ensure he’s worthy of his substantial points value.

 

[Sudsinabucket]

Here is the warscroll for High Warchief Parvat’Shakti

He is meant to be a powerhouse in melee and bring some buffing to those around him. Price point around 260, though that can definitely be debated as im not 100% if that is where it should be.

Aimed to be an Eltharion/Orruk Megaboss equivalent.

I like the shield ability especially, it makes the player think strategically about it a bit.

Would love C&C

 

[Sudsinabucket]

I have been working on a hand drawn map, its a map of my homebrew region during the Spirefall.

During this time the Hathorians were still just rumor, amongst the small villages and towns (not on map) that dot the mountains and highlands, stories of shaggy furred beast roaming around circled the various social groups.

Not until the Battle of Tor Yri'quel do the Hathorians and Haset make themselves known in plain view.

Ill update the map periodically as I get more done

 

[Imrahil]

I went back and addressed #'s 2&4 as those were obvious things to be edited thank you

I would suggest to rephrase to:

#2: If this prayer is answered, pick 1 friendly...

#4: If this prayer is answered, pick 1 friendly unit. When this unit is attempting to charge, roll 3 D6 instead of 2D6 to determent the charge distance. This unit...
(The Orruk Warclans have a similar ability in their Battletome, I'll look it up if I have some time today)

as for question #3 regarding the prayer of protection, with the way I read it, it would be the latter? each time you roll a 4+ the wound or mw it wouldn't apply. but if you attack that same unit again with a different unit, i couldn't then use this ability on that same unit again

#3: I would argue that it could be interpreted in both ways, not sure how to avoid this... perhaps you could write a FAQ to explain it with an example just like GW does

#5: Prayer of iakhu, I'm actually going to change it a bit to 8" but on a 1-3 you do 2 MW and on a 4+ you do d3. So 6" shorter distance, but either way you're doing some damage. I think the 14" was probably a bit too far, especially as I'm attempting to make her more of a in your face fighter

That restricts it nicely, though with a D3 MW it can still come up as a 1 or 2 and just do 1 MW instead of the 2 MW you could have had. That is part of the risk vs reward. I like it.

Grrr, Imrahil

 

[Imrahil]

(The Orruk Warclans have a similar ability in their Battletome, I'll look it up if I have some time today)

Found it in the Get 'Em Beat from the Warchanter (I tried to rewrite it into your prayer)

If this prayer is answered, pick a friendly unit. Until your next hero phase this unit can attempt a charge if it is within 18" of an enemy unit instead of 12". If it does so you may use 3D6 instead of 2D6 for the charge roll. In addition, if the charge is successful, this unit also causes 2 mortal wounds to the enemy unit it has charged.

Grrr, Imrahil

 

[Sudsinabucket]

I would suggest to rephrase to:

#2: If this prayer is answered, pick 1 friendly...

#4: If this prayer is answered, pick 1 friendly unit. When this unit is attempting to charge, roll 3 D6 instead of 2D6 to determent the charge distance. This unit...
(The Orruk Warclans have a similar ability in their Battletome, I'll look it up if I have some time today)

Im gonna go through and rename all the prayers to Blessings as it doesn't make much since for a Goddess/Avatar to prayer to herself lol as pointed by another (and really i had thought about, but wanted to stay in line with the Keyword Priest).

Found it in the Get 'Em Beat from the Warchanter (I tried to rewrite it into your prayer)

If this prayer is answered, pick a friendly unit. Until your next hero phase this unit can attempt a charge if it is within 18" of an enemy unit instead of 12". If it does so you may use 3D6 instead of 2D6 for the charge roll. In addition, if the charge is successful, this unit also causes 2 mortal wounds to the enemy unit it has charged.

This sounds good, having a limit on its reach is probably good

#3: I would argue that it could be interpreted in both ways, not sure how to avoid this... perhaps you could write a FAQ to explain it with an example just like GW does

Lol, I may have to... I wonder if GW ever actually did lol seeing as its from their book lol

That restricts it nicely, though with a D3 MW it can still come up as a 1 or 2 and just do 1 MW instead of the 2 MW you could have had. That is part of the risk vs reward. I like it.

Definitely! Though not intentional (originally I was just trying to balance it some, as it was originally d3 and d6), but I do like that the army has small things like that (such with Parvat’Shakti's shield, you really want to be the first to attack, or you wont be able to counter and lose a chance to attack since they'd be pushed back 1" out of range)