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9th Age 2000 vs Skaven

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I am going to finally get back to playing 1v1s again in 9th and my first match will be against Skaven. My opponent has always, and I mean always, brought at least 3x 50 rat units (usually slaves), so he really prefers the grind game. I thought I would counter him with a magic heavy fast moving list.

I have not put all that much time into the list, let me know what you think.

LORDS 470
slann 270 LIFE
master of winds 85
black cube 50
Banner of speed 15
BSB 50

HEROES 178
skink preist 60 LIFE
alpha pterandon 30

skink captain 40
alpha pterandon 40
light armor 2
shield 2
lance 4

CORE 540
Saurus Warriors [20] 210
Vanguard 40
Music + flag 20

Saurus Warriors [20] 210
Vanguard 40
Music + flag 20

SPECIAL 415
Temple Guard [20] 260
Music + flag 20
Relentless Company Banner 15

Chameleons [5] 60

Chameleons [5] 60

RARE 395
Salamander 70

Salamander 70

Triceratops 175
Ancient 40
Engine 40

Total: 1998

I guess if he brings abombs, I lose, since I would have nothing against those. I really only want life for the dwellers. I have the preist and triceratops for targeting it.
 
Hey there.

First off, I have never played vs Skaven. All I know about them is what youtube bat reps have showed me.

themuffinman873 said:
I am going to finally get back to playing 1v1s again in 9th and my first match will be against Skaven. My opponent has always, and I mean always, brought at least 3x 50 rat units (usually slaves), so he really prefers the grind game. I thought I would counter him with a magic heavy fast moving list.

I have not put all that much time into the list, let me know what you think.

LORDS 470
slann 270 LIFE
master of winds 85
black cube 50
Banner of speed 15
BSB 50
So you start saying, I want magic heavy, fast moving list.
And then the first thing I read is, Slann + LIFE.
Now Magic heavy okay, bringing a Slann in a 2000pts is a huge point sink, but it can be very powerfull, just not with this magic path I think.
Dwellers:Although still a very strong spell, it now reads: ignore the first failed test. Correct me if I'm worng, but the way I see it is.
If you target a unit of like 50 slaves, he throws 50 dice for strength tests, all the rolls that failed, he can roll again. Those second fails are deaths.
Still powerfull, but not as devestating as it was before, so look out for that.

If you want speed and painfull magic against skaven, I suggest you give the path of shadows a look.
Shadow:
*2 free movement spells ( 1 for a character and 1 for unit) now that is what I call fast movement ( ofcourse that is all magic and you need to get the spells off.) *Shadow step*, *Chariot of Mist*
* You can create an obstruction so the slaves can't easely get to you or his big block (probably stormvermin?). If they want to pass this terrain, no problem, give me 50* (how many models that pass the terrain) dangerous terrain tests :D. * Orb of Blackness*.
* In battle reports I have seen that ratogres have become very strong and they have regen now. Well *Devouring Shadow* : small template scatter D6, all models under it suffer 1 wound with multiple wounds D3+2, AP (6), NO regen allowed. I don't know if he has these models, but if he does, expect him to bring these guys, from what I know they have gotten really strong and this spell is A big counter to them IMO '(They do have Initiative 4 though..)

Heavens: might also be decent, just because the Comet can now be called when you want ( write it secretly on paper and BAM it comes when you wants). You scare him with it so he doesn't want to move. Comet is one of the few hardcore spells that did not get 'nerfed', it can be abselutely devestating and in my eyes it is much stronger then dwellers in the current state.

Death: Can still take out their leaders wich can be devestating for Skaven ( bad Leadership).
Also the 6th spell of the Lore is the absolute BOMB spell for Rat Ogers, This one is ground, and it does not scatter, take leadership test, fail is multiple wounds 10 no regen allowed. Also very strong against Hell pits.

Fire: still is the pew pew lore to go to if you just want to run around him and burn him with magic missiles. There are also some panic tests, wich can be good vs skaven.

so yeah, I really think you should change the Lore of the Slann.

HEROES 178
skink preist 60 LIFE
alpha pterandon 30

Normal skink priests can only take wilderniss ( beasts) or heavens. Same as in 8th, so the life is a no go.

skink captain 40
alpha pterandon 40
light armor 2
shield 2
lance 4

CORE 540
Saurus Warriors [20] 210
Vanguard 40
Music + flag 20

Saurus Warriors [20] 210
Vanguard 40
Music + flag 20

If you want speed, Vanguard does not give you speed the way you want it in this battle I think.
It is a one turn I am closer to you rule, that gives you no extra movement in any other turn, and saurus are pretty damn slow...

SPECIAL 415
Temple Guard [20] 260
Music + flag 20
Relentless Company Banner 15

Chameleons [5] 60

Chameleons [5] 60

RARE 395
Salamander 70

Salamander 70

Triceratops 175
Ancient 40
Engine 40

Total: 1998

I guess if he brings abombs, I lose, since I would have nothing against those. I really only want life for the dwellers. I have the preist and triceratops for targeting it.
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I have put some comments in the quote. Open it to see :).
Overall, I think you say you want to do 1 thing, and your list wants to do another.
Fast moving, magic heavy, seems to me like a very good idea against hordes of slaves and what not. Now make your list like you say you want it :D.
Now I just see a slow army with magic that has no extra movement spells, it does not stop his slaves from getting to you either, nor does it have much magic missiles or anything.
 
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I would run a list, with a lone Slann, *Higher state of mind* makes him Ethereal.
I would run him with Shadow, for the reasons I have said. I think this is by far the best magic path for what you are planning and shadow step can definatly give him some good spots to be in.
Core: Skinks are faster and great redirectors, I would take them instead, maybe go for 1 big unit of saurus.
Special: You can drop the protection of the TG (with Ethereal Slann) and get faster moving units, like COR, Pterodactyls etc..
Rare: Definatly like the salamanders for burning those pesky rats!

* I feel like I'm bashin your list, so let me say: The list is not a bad one in my eyes ( It is a sort of a list I play most of the time), but this list basically says: I will play the grind game with you and I will try to beat you with it. It is just not the list you say you want to play.
I would take another spawning for the saurus and watch out for the rat ogers if he brings em, because they will probably wreck you TG.
 
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Thanks for the input! I like a critical review. Now I will be critical of the review :D, or rather, justify my original thinking.

I should probably use the new naming conventions for continuity, but for simplicity I will not. Is it technically still illegal to use the original names with the new point values from a copywrite standpoint? Tangent aside...

Pretty fair point against lore of life (nature). The way I understood dwellers is you get to ignore the first test, as it saids (the victim gets to choose). This stops you from targeting lone models, or vaporizing a single character in a unit. It does however still wreck a character bus (as only 1 character is immune). That is the way I understood it at least.

Shadow does sound like a good alternative as it adds to the mobility as you say, and can crack ogres, abombs, and doomwheels, something life completely lacks. For that matter I may just consider going Fire, which also ignores regen, and which I have never used in the two years I have played Warhammer.

My mistake on the regular skink preists, I would probably go beasts there. Curse of A and Amber spear are my keepers, with WW as a backup.

The vanguard is 12", which is like a turn and a half of marching. If I get the second part of turn 1, and he moves his forces forward at all, then I will be at a dice range of 7 or less for charges on turn 1 with saurus (assuming he deployed on the line). The TG get a triple march with movement 5 (due to the two banners). So Turn 1 they get to march 15". The stegadon and salamanders will actually be the ones trying to catch up, which is sort of a problem from the engine of the gods protection standpoint.
The chameleons will help me secure my vanguard area, if he has any scouts or vanguards of his own.

The vanguarded + move 18 preist puts me in spell range fast.
Skaven are all warpfire (magical) so the ethereal slann seems like a big risk. Unless warpfire changed.

If I can get in position fast enough, I think I can break his steadfast with saurus flanks, if so, the grind will turn into successive routes. Though my saurus units may be a little on the small side.
 
Ah, as said, I never played vs skaven, so my Ethereal Slann idea indeed seems worthless :D.
I thought with speed, you mean running around him a bit to deny him from putting his wall of slaves up.
You mean try to get flanks and get in CC as fast as possible. Then okay ^^.

Dwellers: it does say first test and not tests, so I was wondering myself. I don't know I really thought they would nerf this spell harder then that.
first game of 8th I played I killed my enemies General, lvl 4 and BSB turn 1... So this would mean 1 of them would be okay? :D
If that is the case, I feel sad, OP spells like this should be removed (nerfed harder) IMO.
 
themuffinman873 said:
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I mean The 9th Age, as the thread tag indicates.
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the 9th age?

Looks cool! What is it exactly? I dont quite understand! Is it a form of gameplay with new rules or just a thingy to post figures with new names?
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Well 8th edition is no longer supported. Since there were problems with 8th that fans were hoping would get fixed, the fan-base took it upon themselves to create a new rules. 9th age is about 90% the same as 8th edition, but factions are being re-balanced, some rules work a little differently now, but for the most part it is 8th. You can download the main rule book and all of the army books from that 9th age website. It is still in beta mode, so armybooks will change often, but things are looking promising.
 
@skink chief, about the Dwellers - not exactly that way.
The "reroll first failed" part seems to stay for character sniping purpose - in the 8th he could lookout, here he can be chosen the first to roll (owner of the targeted unit chooses the consequence of rolls). So no 50 rerolls. But I agree - Nature isn't the best choice for this list. Perhaps Light will suit a lot better.
 
Cowboy_Jerry said:
@skink chief, about the Dwellers - not exactly that way.
The "reroll first failed" part seems to stay for character sniping purpose - in the 8th he could lookout, here he can be chosen the first to roll (owner of the targeted unit chooses the consequence of rolls). So no 50 rerolls. But I agree - Nature isn't the best choice for this list. Perhaps Light will suit a lot better.
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Actually you cant use a lookout sir in 8th, for dwellers is not a template.
Interestingly enough I ended up taking fire in this matchup, and it was amazing.
 
Hi all, I'm going to play a 2k point game vs skaven as well this very evening, i build up a list and i wanted to know what you guys think about it and since there was this thread i did not want to create an exact copy of it. So here's my list:

-Slann:Shadow, BsB, Cube, Wellspring of power, Totem of mixoatl. 232.5 ss
-Sk priest: beast, dispell scroll. 50 ss
-Sk Capt: alpha-ripper, shield, light armor, lance egg of quetzal. 65 ss
-26 Saurian Warrior: lance, serpent totem, veteran standard with Icon of the Relentless Company, music 181 ss
-2x 10 skink hunter skirmish 80 ss
-20 temble guards, musician, standard with speed standard 152.5 ss
-3 skink with ripper + fire bolas 51.5 ss
-2x 5 chameleon 60 ss
-Ancient Steg + EOTG 127.5 ss

1000 ss total.
 
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