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7th Ed. 2000 Points with 2nd Gen Slann

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Ok this is the 2000 points I am planning to make (I might sign up to the next Tale of Painters on LO, not sure yet).

Slann Hexxanol - 590
2nd Gen
Plaque of Protection
Plaque of Tepok
BSB
Sun Banner of Chotec

Skink Chief Munzdele (Wizkiller) - 93
Extra hand weapon
Light Armour
Shield
Cloak of Feathers

20 Saurus - 290
Full Command
Spawn of Tlaztcotl
Slann's Unit

20 Saurus - 270
Full Command

10 Skinks - 60
Javs Shields

10 Skinks - 60
Javs Shields

10 Skinks - 60
Blowpipes

10 Skinks - 60
Blowpipes

4 Kroxigors - 232

6 Chameleon Skinks - 90

3 Salamander Hunting Packs - 195

Total - 2000
Models - 104
PD - 6 (up to 12)
DD - 4

My general tactics are to have the slann unit be the middle, the other unit will line up close to it to form the core of my battle line. I will have Krox and Salamanders guiding each flank. The skink chief is only there to kill any enemy wizards. He has 4A and should hit and wound on 3s, hopefully he can kill a wizard in one turn of combat and he would have earned his points back as well as letting my slann roam even more free magic wise. He can then be thrown at warmachine crews/flyers/marchblock and be a nuisance. The chameleon skinks are there to march block from turn 1 and take out warmachine crews and thin out units before the main battle line hits. The skinks are there to be meat shields (javs) and guard flanks, lead charges and march block. I might keep one unit back just to contest a table quarter depending on the battle.

The FSOD is cheap and he wont grant anywhere near as much attention as a JSOD. Also no-one ever uses them even though the models are SWEET (I particularly like the stegadon helm one).
 
I think this list is pretty solid. You have your two blocks of saurus with the 4 Krox effectively providing you with a fourth.

It's great to see the FSoD in a list! Is there anyway you could squeeze in Sotek, the difference between 4 and 5 attacks can be quite a lot when you're trying to kill a wizard with 2 wounds. Also, if no opportunity presents itself, fly him over the top and use him to march block. Giving more time for your Slann and skinks to machine gun the enemy :bored:

You may find that, for a general all comers list, you can drop either the sun standard or the PoProtection for something which will boost your magic a little more (perhaps a diadem or the PoDominion). Besides there is not much which can kill the slann in one hit (even an empire cannonball) and you can use spells like steal soul, gift of life and healing energy to make the Slann stick around even longer!

Good luck dude! :)
 
My Slann was used in the LO Votewar and I must admit I quite like the build, having a 2+ Ward save is pretty nice. If I end up playing a CC orientated list I would simply swap it for the plaque of dominion, this would mean I have even more magic power.

I could drop a chamo skink for Sotek but at 5 models I think it might be just too small to make an impact shooting wise. Who knows, I will play around with it and see how it goes.

I currently have 32 skinks and 20 Saurus that are basecoated and thats it (yeah owning 5th edition starter set!!!) and I should have paints coming through the post soon, will keep y'all informed.
 
2nd gen slaan should really only be used in a magic heavy list. I actually like your list but you could mabye try to drop some things mabye chameleons for a skink priest or two this can really help your magic phase. Just a comment. Have fun playing with it. :smug:
oh yer also instead of sun standard for slaan give him totem of prophecy i got my slaan yesterday and played against my orc friend first with totem of prophecy then without. I was really suprised how long he stayed around for with it. The worst thing that can happen is being hit by a 40 strong fear causing enemy and be auto broken and chased down.
 
I think at 2000 Point the 2nd Gen Slann alone is a magic heavy army. I thought about the Totem of Prophecy but I would go Lore of Shadows a lot and could magic my unit into being fear causing (I would cast this one last so my opponent may not have enough dice) and that would be that problem solved.

Anyway I would rather have my saurus be more protected, but ill play with it and see how it goes.

Oh, slight change to the list, the non-spawned unit of Saurus will actually be 16 strong and the Chameleon skinks would be 9. This is due to me not wanting to buy another box set for 4 models.
 
16 saurus is really an odd number seeing as you need 5 in a rank for bonus so do 15 and save 12pts to use elsewhere.

If your gonna use shadows i understand that. An extra skink priest could be usefull but i gues its down to personal taste wether you have chameleons or priest.
 
Bleyden said:
Slann Hexxanol - 590
2nd Gen
Plaque of Protection
Plaque of Tepok
BSB
Sun Banner of Chotec

As the Slann is a large Target, my personnal belief is that the sun banner of Chotec is a little bit of overkill. This is especially true when you consider that you have already given your slann a plaque of protection. I would suggest giving your Slann the warbanner (meaning that your Slann will add a +2 to CR and still cant be targeted)

Also, you need a skink priest. With only a 90 degree LOS, your slann is going to come into difficulties. With only 2 combat units, any opponent with heavy cav. or a horde army is going to try to flank you, and your 600 point slann wont be able to see half of the enemy without a skink priest. Ive run into nasty situations before where ive been able to destroy a unit of chosen knights who had gotten behind my slanns unit, and its at those points that you want a skink priest around.

Skink Chief Munzdele (Wizkiller) - 93
Extra hand weapon
Light Armour
Shield
Cloak of Feathers

Although i understand that you want to keep this guy inexpensive, It would really help to give him a sword of might and/or a spawning of Sotek. As he is right now, there is a good chance that he could completley wiff killing a mage, and Sotek would also mean that he could have a better chance even against war machine crews. I suggested a sword of might to deal with ethereal targets (expect vamp and asur mages to be ethereal) and to bypass forest spirit/daemons' ward saves. Also, a Str 5 will help you against the tougher targets like brayshamans.

20 Saurus - 290
Full Command
Spawn of Tlaztcotl
Slann's Unit

If you drop a unit of Saurus to 16, I would suggest you do it to the Slann's unit, so that it will still have a full rank bonus. With a ld 9 BSB and a +1 CR from the BSB to boot this unit shouldnt be going anywhere

20 Saurus - 270
Full Command

10 Skinks - 60
Javs Shields

10 Skinks - 60
Javs Shields

10 Skinks - 60
Blowpipes

10 Skinks - 60
Blowpipes

4 Kroxigors - 232

6 Chameleon Skinks - 90

Not to burst your bubble, but 9 Chameleon Skinks will not make back their points in all liklihood. At 15 pts a pop, a blowpipe gives one only a limited tactical ability, which will already be done quite well by the normal skinks and the Salamanders (one could get 2.5 Skinks for every Cham, you do the math on which would shoot down more). If you keep them, keep them at 6 so that they can march block and snipe while still needing to suffer 4 casualties to be under half

3 Salamander Hunting Packs - 195

Total - 2000
Models - 104
PD - 6 (up to 12)
DD - 4

My general tactics are to have the slann unit be the middle, the other unit will line up close to it to form the core of my battle line. I will have Krox and Salamanders guiding each flank. The skink chief is only there to kill any enemy wizards. He has 4A and should hit and wound on 3s, hopefully he can kill a wizard in one turn of combat and he would have earned his points back as well as letting my slann roam even more free magic wise. He can then be thrown at warmachine crews/flyers/marchblock and be a nuisance. The chameleon skinks are there to march block from turn 1 and take out warmachine crews and thin out units before the main battle line hits. The skinks are there to be meat shields (javs) and guard flanks, lead charges and march block. I might keep one unit back just to contest a table quarter depending on the battle.

This is just my general opinion, but I think you would do well to have another unit of Kroxigors or of Saurus Cavalry to give you another mobile threat. at M 4, generally your Saurus are going to get charged, and right now you only have one unit that can consistantly deal large amounts of damage on the charge. You cant necessarily rely on magic right now, because your Slann has a limited LOS and you do not have a priest to compensate for this problem. Although you do have a lot of shooting, blowpipes will only thin out units, and you dont have enough CC threats to deter an opponnents Fast Cavalry away from your skinks. Essentially, you have a little bit of everything but its not going to work well in concert.

The FSOD is cheap and he wont grant anywhere near as much attention as a JSOD. Also no-one ever uses them even though the models are SWEET (I particularly like the stegadon helm one).
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With a ld 9 BSB and a +1 CR from the BSB to boot this unit shouldnt be going anywhere
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just to clarify this, the Slann DOES NOT GIVE a +1 CR just because he is a BSB. The Rulebook says clearly that only BSBs who are in the front rank of a unit provide it with +1 CR.

Of course, if he has the warbanner, that still gives the unit +1 to CR even if the slann is hanging out in the back.
 
ah, but if you check the lizardmen FAQ (and call the rulesboyz if you really want to ;) ), it says that the slann counts as being in the front rank for BSB purposes (although this was meant to speak more to him lending ld and standard BSB). As he essentially counts as in the front rank except that he cannot be engaged in combat or challanged, you gain the benefit of the BSB
 
Yay! thats great news =D thanks for the info!

Concerning your list:

I also think that a skink shaman would be useful. you have no dispel scrolls at all without one. and the diadem is always useful, too.

And if you plan to go magic heavy go magic HEAVY, i am talking about 16+ power dice here. that way your magic can be far more effective because you are going to have much more power dice left when your enemys dispel dice run out.

I think thats too much protection on your slann. That guy will not be killed by shooting, only if your opponent has cannons or many rbts i would consider to take the 2+ ward save. with ordinary shooting there is no way your slann is going to loose his 8 wounds... you can still heal him or put him behind terrain if things get risky.

the bigger thread for your slann is usually to be overrun in combat.
 
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