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[NIGHTBRINGER]

Really good looking army, even if the style is more aligned with AoS miniatures (which is fabulous, but somehow deviates from the overall mood of old armies).

That's pretty much how I feel. The models are fine, the typical high quality that we've come to expect from GW, but somehow it doesn't feel like Warhammer to me. Then again, from my vantage point either does TOW, so I guess it is fitting.

It will be a nice new army for some people to invest in, but not something that calls to me. The big dragon is pretty cool though.

Honestly, a bit too Total war-esque. But other than that it's fine I suppose.

Not getting that complaint. I always felt that Total War was faithful to Warhammer's models, barring a few instances where because they have to be able to move and not be static poses they are adjusted, but still keep true.

I agree with @J.Logan . It's pretty evident that GW had a major influence on how Cathay was depicted in Total War, so it only makes sense that the physical models would follow in the same style.



Are we still guessing that the order release will be Beastmen, followed by Wood Elves, and lastly Cathay? Any thoughts @Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl ? Also, is this just the first wave? Can we expect the rest to follow?

 

[- Q -]

There's 1 important limiting factor. One of the things that keep popping up when I look on the internet is that vampirism in WHF seems isn't easy to spread. You can't just bite someone and now he's a vampire, you need to do a whole ritual thing. It's one of the recurring arguments given why it's limited to humans, humans are the only ones who are willing to be cursed for immortality and power, and thus the only ones to activly seek it out. So they're the only easy targets to create new spawn.

In contrast; elves are already powerfull & immortal. Dwarves don't like magic, so they won't do a magic curse. Orks & Ogres are too stupid to be interested in something as complicated as becoming a vampire. And more powerfull creatures like dragons & Shaggoths are also too powerfull to willingly seek out the curse.

So there probably isn't going to be any shaggoth who willingly seeks it out. And well, the average vampire isn't going to be able to subdue a shaggoth for long enough to force him through the ritual. Plus, even if you did manage to create a shaggoth vampire spawn, now you're stuck with this super powerfull, and probably angry underling. So what idiot of a vampire would even try to create a shaggoth vampire?

So, it's mostly just limited to a theoretical "I think it's theoreticly possible, but I doubt it'd ever actually happen".

That's interesting. I did not know that vampires needed a fancy ritual to turn someone into a vampire. Serves me right for only skimming through the Vampire Counts army book.

What does this ritual entail? Restraining the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth might not be necessary, as many are in deep slumber. In fact, Archaon retrieved the Slayer of Kings from a sleeping Krakanrok the Black, knowing full well that he could never defeat the beast in combat. So if the ritual is quiet enough, it might be possible.

However, none of this is proof in my eyes. Even if the ritual is extraordinarily difficult to perform on a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, and even if that explains why we don't see them in the Warhammer world, it still isn't proof that they would be susceptible to the curse of vampires. Personally, and it's okay if you feel differently, in the absence of direct evidence (i.e. an actual Dragon Ogre being turned in the lore), I'd at least need some strong inference that it is possible. Something along the lines of in-lore legends that such a feat might be plausible or even having other gigantic creatures (like a dragon) succumb to it. While not direct proof, that would provide some theory with which to entertain the possibility.

Of course, neither of us are truly right or wrong. Whether it is possible or not will come down to the authors' decision, and as far as I know, no author has ever tackled the subject.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

Are we still guessing that the order release will be Beastmen, followed by Wood Elves, and lastly Cathay? Any thoughts @Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl ?

GW confirmed that Beastmen would be first in a previous post: https://www.warhammer-community.com...orld-almanack-the-high-elves-of-elthin-arvan/

Also, is this just the first wave? Can we expect the rest to follow?

That's what I'm hoping for all three factions announced, especially as there were a lot more units present in the Total War Cathay army list. One thing about the Cathay release is that it shows GW is willing to invest a substantial amount into TOW to give it brand-new fully-plastic army ranges, a sign that they have seen its success among the playerbase and want it to continue.

 

[Killer Angel]

Also, is this just the first wave? Can we expect the rest to follow?

The release of a whole new army should be promising for TOW's future

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

GW confirmed that Beastmen would be first in a previous post: https://www.warhammer-community.com...orld-almanack-the-high-elves-of-elthin-arvan/

I guess the Wood Elves are still a good couple of months away then.

Thanks for the info!

One thing about the Cathay release is that it shows GW is willing to invest a substantial amount into TOW to give it brand-new fully-plastic army ranges, a sign that they have seen its success among the playerbase and want it to continue.

The release of a whole new army should be promising for TOW's future

It would appear that way.

 

[- Q -]

Okay chaps, time for some speculation and tinfoil hats. What is the next TOW army (or armies) after Cathay? Do they release something new or start the cycle again with second editions?

 

[Krox_v.2]

Okay chaps, time for some speculation and tinfoil hats. What is the next TOW army (or armies) after Cathay? Do they release something new or start the cycle again with second editions?

Kislev most likely. Whenever they get to the Great War Against Chaos, then Daemons of Chaos, Dark Elves and maybe Chaos Dwarfs.

 

[Lord-Marcus]

Look who got himself a new upgraded model:

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Something that was long waited for

Grrr, !mrahil

Well I missed this. He looks swanky.

 

[Lord-Marcus]

I'm liking cathay, but I don't want to pay GW's new standard pricing for them.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

I'm liking cathay, but I don't want to pay GW's new standard pricing for them.

 

[Lord-Marcus]

LOL

 

[- Q -]

Kislev most likely.

That would be exciting. Wasn't there TOW Kislev concept art released on the Warhammer Community website a while back? I heard people chatting that Games Workshop might be reluctant to release them due to their Russian-inspired aesthetics, at least while the whole Russia-Ukraine conflict is still going on.

Whenever they get to the Great War Against Chaos, then Daemons of Chaos, Dark Elves and maybe Chaos Dwarfs.

If GW go back on their word and bring the legacy armies to the forefront of the game, that would mean that our Lizards have a chance too.

Fingers crossed for this!

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

but I don't want to pay GW's new standard pricing for them.

I'm hoping that the Wood Elves battalion follows suit with GW's previous battalion cost at $220CAD. It's a nice little collection of models that are just what @Mrs. NIGHTBRINGER needs for her army.

 

[Lord-Marcus]

50 Models and 2 war machines for $185 is a bit much for me to stomach.

 

[Canas]

What does this ritual entail?

Not entirely sure, I think it depends on the writer and the only consistent thing is that creating a vampire requires active effort, more effort than it does in most settings where a simple bite can be enough to spread the curse.

However, none of this is proof in my eyes. Even if the ritual is extraordinarily difficult to perform on a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, and even if that explains why we don't see them in the Warhammer world, it still isn't proof that they would be susceptible to the curse of vampires. Personally, and it's okay if you feel differently, in the absence of direct evidence (i.e. an actual Dragon Ogre being turned in the lore), I'd at least need some strong inference that it is possible. Something along the lines of in-lore legends that such a feat might be plausible or even having other gigantic creatures (like a dragon) succumb to it. While not direct proof, that would provide some theory with which to entertain the possibility.

As far as I can find, dragons aren't just immune, dragon blood is even supposed to cure vampirism.

More generally speaking, it seems that it's easier to just kill the big powerfull thing, and raise it as an undead variant. So noone really bothers.
Partially this seems to be because of the complexity of creating a vampire, and the fact that powerfull creatures aren't just going to freely cooperate. And partially because the "parent' wants to control the "child" vampire. And that gets difficult when the child is very powerfull

Of course, neither of us are truly right or wrong. Whether it is possible or not will come down to the authors' decision, and as far as I know, no author has ever tackled the subject.

O yeah, all of this is purely speculative. Honestly, it's kind of surprising no writer seems to really have touched the subject in warhammer.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

50 Models and 2 war machines for $185 is a bit much for me to stomach.

And that's a "good deal" in modern GW circles.

 

[Canas]

And that's a "good deal" in modern GW circles.

Honestly the worst part is that GW's pricing isn't even entirely unreasonable as far as companies goes. With the exception of a few things (mostly individual minor-ish heroes), they've actually mostly kept pace with inflation. Except payraises haven't been keeping up with inflation in the slightest.

 

[Krox_v.2]

As far as I can find, dragons aren't just immune, dragon blood is even supposed to cure vampirism.
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Which makes one wonder if Dragon Ogre/Shaggoth blood would have a similar result, given that in Warhammer lore they're distant kin to Dragons.

 

[Krox_v.2]

https://www.warhammer-community.com...den-demon-2025-winners-revealed-at-adepticon/ The Gold winning entry for Old World is a Chaos Dwarf.

 

[- Q -]

As far as I can find, dragons aren't just immune, dragon blood is even supposed to cure vampirism.

Which makes one wonder if Dragon Ogre/Shaggoth blood would have a similar result, given that in Warhammer lore they're distant kin to Dragons.

I was going to suggest the same thing!