TOW Build your own Talisman of Protection?

[RipperDerek]

At least according to my spreadsheet, the Talisman of Protection (5+ ward save for 30pts) is one of the best protective magic items in the game. (It also really likes the Armour of Silvered Steel and the Enchanted Shield.)

This brings me to the Charmed Shield, which is an extremely common magic item, that costs 5pts, but gives you a 1 use 5+ ward save.

Some types of magic item are more common than others...even humble shields that bear runes of protection.

Any magic item marked with an asterisk (*) is considered to be extremely common...there is no limit to how many duplicates of such items can be included in an army, or even how many duplicates a character can carry (beyond the limit of how many points that character can spend on magic items).

The rules seem pretty clear: a single character can have as many Charmed Shields as they want. It even specifically calls out "shield with runes of protection" as something this applies to.

If you buy a character 6 charmed shields, you get to use your 5+ ward save 6 times. It costs 30 points. That's basically a Talisman of Protection, with some added flexibility thrown in (like, you could buy 5 charmed shields for 25pts).

This appears to be 100% supported by the rules, but feels a little weird to me. Does anyone else have a take?

 

[discomute]

At least according to my spreadsheet, the Talisman of Protection (5+ ward save for 30pts) is one of the best protective magic items in the game. (It also really likes the Armour of Silvered Steel and the Enchanted Shield.)

This brings me to the Charmed Shield, which is an extremely common magic item, that costs 5pts, but gives you a 1 use 5+ ward save.


The rules seem pretty clear: a single character can have as many Charmed Shields as they want. It even specifically calls out "shield with runes of protection" as something this applies to.

If you buy a character 6 charmed shields, you get to use your 5+ ward save 6 times. It costs 30 points. That's basically a Talisman of Protection, with some added flexibility thrown in (like, you could buy 5 charmed shields for 25pts).

This appears to be 100% supported by the rules, but feels a little weird to me. Does anyone else have a take?

Funny this has come up in Facebook old world Australia group recently.

My feeling is that you need to be using an item to get it's benefit. Therefore yes you can do this but you can swap between holding a "spent" shield to a "new" shield each combat much like a weapon. Which is actually a bit difficult to do I think you need to wait for FBIGO (GG will count as same combat).

 

[RipperDerek]

Funny this has come up in Facebook old world Australia group recently.

My feeling is that you need to be using an item to get it's benefit. Therefore yes you can do this but you can swap between holding a "spent" shield to a "new" shield each combat much like a weapon. Which is actually a bit difficult to do I think you need to wait for FBIGO (GG will count as same combat).

Hmm, seems like the rules are very broken!

Pg 340 says a model "can only carry one shield"
Pg 337 says, with shields as an example, "there is no limit to how many duplicates a character can carry"

The rules for magic weapons say pick one at the start of each combat, but it doesn't say to do the same for armor. That said, I think "you can have multiples but have to pick one at the beginning of each combat" is a very reasonable house rule for dealing with the discrepancy.

 

[discomute]

Hmm, seems like the rules are very broken!

Pg 340 says a model "can only carry one shield"
Pg 337 says, with shields as an example, "there is no limit to how many duplicates a character can carry"

The rules for magic weapons say pick one at the start of each combat, but it doesn't say to do the same for armor. That said, I think "you can have multiples but have to pick one at the beginning of each combat" is a very reasonable house rule for dealing with the discrepancy.

I just read both of those. Actually my feeling is 340 overrules 337. That's because 337 has other rules for common items like they can take them along side non-common magic items. So I think that part applies to shields.

 

[Kalisto]

(Sorry for multiple post, idk how delete it)

 

[Kalisto]

It’s common but are you sure you can have the same shield multiple times on the same hero? I may agree RAW but is there no FAQ or something similar on it?

on shooting is good since you can change it but not in melee, by the way it doesn’t help if you have the intention to have a great weapon (probably you don’t)

 

[airjamy]

I mean,, if someone did this to me, i would probably not want to play this person again just for the absurdity of it. Most TO's also won't let you get away with it. Cute find, but i do not think this will actually fly in a real game.

 

[Fxt]

I don't think you can buy multiple charmed on a single character.
yes, as it's common you can buy it multiple times across your list, but a model can only carry a single shield

 

[Kalisto]

I read the rules again and asked around. I agree also that you can only have one shield.. no more