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Canas said:
Individually the models are fine, and they're all usefull things you'll eventually want. They just don't form much of a coherent whole when looking at just the box, which is kinda odd for a starter set.

On the one hand their battlefields roles are too similar to form a functioning (small) army on its own, unlike say the Lumineth who bring all the necesary parts to form a coherent force (some frontline melee, an archer backline, a support hero, an elite melee unit to round it out)

On the other hand, they're not similar enough to form a thematic specialized force with 1 primary focus, unlike say the fyreslayers who go all in on melee infantry

And there is no explicit synergy between the units to play around with, as the Kroxigor and Troglodon only directly interact with skinks, and the carnosaur variants aren't exactly known for providing synergy, usually they're the ones being buffed. Which means nothing in the box really interacts with anything else in the box.

And yeah, once you add in several other boxes, and the battletome, you start to get something.
But on its own it's a box filled with a bunch of basicly random unrelated models with no clear focus.
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This is just a lot of words to say you don't personally like the box set.

It gives you 2 different infantry battleline and a mounted hero, all geared towards a specific subfaction. Sounds like exactly what you need from a starter box.

Kroxigor also don't really "synergize" with skinks at all. They provide nothing behind the ability to give them commands which literally any hero can do. At least when paired with saurus pieces it becomes an obvious beginning to a koatl's claw force.
 
Putzfrau said:
This is just a lot of words to say you don't personally like the box set.

It gives you 2 different infantry battleline and a mounted hero, all geared towards a specific subfaction. Sounds like exactly what you need from a starter box.
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You're missing my point, but then again, that seems par for the course at this point.

Putzfrau said:
Kroxigor also don't really "synergize" with skinks at all. They provide nothing behind the ability to give them commands which literally any hero can do
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Skink guidance & Spawn of Sotek literaly require skinks for the rule to work, that's synergy.
And yes, it's nothing impressive. But at least it would've been some form of interaction if we got some skinks, any skinks, in the box, which is more than can be said for the Vanguard box we actually got.

Putzfrau said:
At least when paired with saurus pieces it becomes an obvious beginning to a koatl's claw force.
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It's a decent-ish box if you're just looking for a discount while building your 2000 point army and already know exactly what you need.

It's a bad & boring box if you're just starting to collect Seraphon and thought this would be an interesting starting point to try out since the box on its own has no interactions. And since it's supposed to be a starterset, that means it kinda fails at it's coretask.
 
I think krox are in a bad place competitivley and its a common strat of gws to unload those types of models in starter boxes so once you hit your 2k points you still have stuff to buy
 
Players new to Seraphon seem to be very happy with the box.

And remember the Carnosaur can be built as a Troglodon.
 
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Personally I have no issue with the Vanguard box. I think a lot of people who already have Seraphon were expecting Aggradons and thus are disappointed, but it does seem to be a very good starter set for a Coalesced list. I'm guessing we might get another special box set with an Aggradon or Raptadon focus in the future.
 
Canas said:
It's a bad & boring box if you're just starting to collect Seraphon and thought this would be an interesting starting point to try out since the box on its own has no interactions. And since it's supposed to be a starterset, that means it kinda fails at it's coretask.
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You mean to say "in my opinion." But that seems pretty par for the course at this point ;)

Fine to agree to disagree. Think it's a good starter set for making a coalesced army. 2 battleline and a hero that all benefit from the same subfaction abilities. /shrug. To each their own.
 
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Kilvakar said:
Personally I have no issue with the Vanguard box. I think a lot of people who already have Seraphon were expecting Aggradons and thus are disappointed, but it does seem to be a very good starter set for a Coalesced list. I'm guessing we might get another special box set with an Aggradon or Raptadon focus in the future.
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Aggradons are the other option that would have made sense to me. Maybe something similar to the S2D box with the Karkadrak, Knights & Warriors box. So, Scar-Vet, Aggros, and Warriors. Anyway, that's just a "what if." GW might do a "Starborne" (i.e. Skink) box like the previous Skink box. I bet GW will do a new Seraphon Battleforce box this year.
 
Just A Skink said:
Aggradons are the other option that would have made sense to me. Maybe something similar to the S2D box with the Karkadrak, Knights & Warriors box. So, Scar-Vet, Aggros, and Warriors. Anyway, that's just a "what if." GW might do a "Starborne" (i.e. Skink) box like the previous Skink box. I bet GW will do a new Seraphon Battleforce box this year.
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The army box also worked well thematicly, though that one's probably a bit expensive for a start collecting box.

But yeah, hopefully we'll see some other boxes at some point as well.
 
So I saw a starborne list take 3rd place at a tournament. The list had 6 teradons and a teradons chief (along with typical starborne Slann+Kroak+Trog and endless spells) the idea to take teradons is bold because the starborne list is already wound light and adding 6+ saves doesn't help. However a source of non-magic mortal wounds may come in handy vs Khorne and obr. So is 320 pts worth 5d3 mortal wounds one time?
 
Lambs and Lions said:
So I saw a starborne list take 3rd place at a tournament. The list had 6 teradons and a teradons chief (along with typical starborne Slann+Kroak+Trog and endless spells) the idea to take teradons is bold because the starborne list is already wound light and adding 6+ saves doesn't help. However a source of non-magic mortal wounds may come in handy vs Khorne and obr. So is 320 pts worth 5d3 mortal wounds one time?
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Mmm... 5d3 is 10 MWs on average, which may come handy but 320 is an awful lot. And of course, that's assuming they manage to reach their target before something kills 2-3 of them
 
Killer Angel said:
Mmm... 5d3 is 10 MWs on average, which may come handy but 320 is an awful lot. And of course, that's assuming they manage to reach their target before something kills 2-3 of them
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The list had speed of haunchi so between that and 16" move they can make it anywhere turn 1. But yeah they are made of paper and expensive for when they do.

For 330pts you could instead get 5 chargers and a bastiladon, which show up in a lot of starborne lists. I like the innovation of the teradons and wonder how they played.
 
Looks like another list went 5-0 with a teradon chief. This time he was holding the arcane tome and bonded to an Incarnate. Speed of huanchi let's him be forward to be a second arcane vassal for Kroak turn 1 then he can charge in and suicide letting the incarnate run wild. A steady supply of endless spells keeps a wild incarnate healthy and living long. The chief is just the right number of points to be a cheap, squishy suicider.
 
Lambs and Lions said:
Looks like another list went 5-0 with a teradon chief. This time he was holding the arcane tome and bonded to an Incarnate. Speed of huanchi let's him be forward to be a second arcane vassal for Kroak turn 1 then he can charge in and suicide letting the incarnate run wild. A steady supply of endless spells keeps a wild incarnate healthy and living long. The chief is just the right number of points to be a cheap, squishy suicider.
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I know it can be done (and obviously successful), but boy, that is A LOT of points wrapped up in Kroak and an Incarnate.
 
Just A Skink said:
I know it can be done (and obviously successful), but boy, that is A LOT of points wrapped up in Kroak and an Incarnate.
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Oh I agree, I think relying on rupture would be a better choice. The incarnate is picking up use again now that rupture is a thing.

The incarnate in starborne is interesting. On the one hand you already have so many points in your main Kroak+Slann hero core and so few bodies. But the incarnate is the ultimate anvil that can hold down problem units while Kroak and friends fry everything with magic. Bodies for objectives can be summoned as needed. But damn does the list look anemic.
 
Messing around with incarnate now actually. Feels really strong, compliments the hero package well.
 
Putzfrau said:
Messing around with incarnate now actually. Feels really strong, compliments the hero package well.
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How are you playing it? Rupture or just letting a skink wizard teleport to its doom?

Heros + incarnate are about 1500 pts how are you using your remaining 500?

Right now the incarnate is doing pretty good as a lot of armies are using him, mostly because of rupture. I think he plays well into Khorne and SBGLs being able to tie up a blood thirster or zombie dragon. Damage per points he is not that great but he is the best anvil we have. I have tried a few games with 2 snake box bastiladons and they are an okay anvil but offer really little thread, just objective campers.
 
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