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Warhammer Meme thread

Firstly (and I can't stress this enough)... THE SHOVEL MEMES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION!!!

That's the whole joke. That's why I keep pointing out that you are missing the joke. You are trying to use a straight and narrow argument against something that is purposefully absurd and comical.

Let's break this down:
  • You post a picture of a Krieger attacking the viewer (in jest) in response to me stating that the meme is as stupid as the Imperial Guard are
  • I then respond by posting that Kriegers are no match for the power of the Hive Mind (again in jest, because I was deliberately parodying Palpatine for comedy effect)
  • You post a Krieg meme (again, in jest)
  • I then reply that Bonesabres >>>>>>>>>>> shovels (again in jest, due to the unneccesarily large number of > symbols)
  • You then reply with a meme that idolises a digger as a bigger shovel
  • I then reply with a simply logical fact that a bonesabre could cut through a digger, then lighten the mood with a Mace Windu meme and a wink emoticon (to show I simply posted in jest once again)
  • You then make what appeared to me to be a more serious comment attempting to challenge the power of the bonesabres, in your usual fashion to try and sound cool, with a Conan the Barbarian clip for good measure
  • I simply made a logical statement about how powerful bonesabres are
  • You responded by stating how if a shovel can kill a Bloodthirster, my Tyranids would have no chance (I suppose this must have been made in jest in the spirit of the meme, but at the time it sounded as though it was another challenge to my logic)
  • I responded that that is only what the memes say, and that they have no bearing on what would actually happen in the 40K galaxy (which is true)
  • You then have a rant at me about how I've supposedly missed the point that the meme isn't meant to be accurate, when in my mind over the past couple of posts I was responding to a challenge to my innate logic, because I had felt it had gone beyond simple banter and into serious lore discussion.
I think we've both started to take this a little too seriously. I claim my responsibility for my part in this happening, but you could also have kept things light-hearted rather than ranting at me as if I am a thick-skulled idiot. There's no need to go that far.

Second, there is no "real" 40k life or physics. It's all made up.

Not all of it is, one can easily assume that a human armed only with a shovel would be no match for a charging rhino or elephant in the real world, so it is easy to assume that the same person in some WWI German armour and a gas mask would stand even less chance against a Hive Tyrant or Greater Daemon in the 40K galaxy.


Regardless, I get the absurdity of the meme, but, in my mind, absurdity at this level does not equal comedy, it simply equals stupidity. It's simply too overblown and unrealistic to tickle my funnybone. This is a situation akin to the scenes where Kirk tells Spock a joke, Spock doesn't laugh, Kirk explains the joke but all along Spock got the joke, he just had no desire to laugh because his logical mind saw no need for it.

When Jar Jar is your gold standard, I guess it shouldn't surprise me. :cool:

I never said Jar Jar was my gold standard. I simply have said in the past that he amused me. I also enjoy comedy that is far higher in quality:
  • Blackadder
  • Monty Python (which you refuse to watch, I might add)
  • Johnny English
  • Dad's Army
  • One Foot in the Grave (which funnily enough includes some surrealism in it, but unlike the Krieg memes its absurdity is still within the possibilities of real life, which makes it a lot more relatable and thus more )
  • Only Fools and Horses
Those are my gold-standard. I'd be interested to know what your gold-standard in comedy is by comparison.

And there's no need for attempts to attack my intelligence, I have an IQ of 112 and have the test result to prove it. There's no need to try and insult me just because I find something you like doesn't appeal to my sense of humour and I find something else amusing that you don't.

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Come on, pal, the war's over. There's much better things we can be doing with our time than disputing this. I'll leave you be with your Krieg memes if in return you respect my difference in opinion. Deal?
 
[Pedantic Military Historian hat on] And, the Death Korps of Krieg, both in attitude and aesthetic, is based off World War 1 infantry, particularly British. WW1 was the war when the West was working out the final transition between the mass infantry tactics of the Napoleanic Wars and the modern combined arms tactics that have dominated the wars since. The Battle of the Somme, where the Allies traded 600,000 casualties for 6 miles of territory exemplifies that approach to warfare. Besides, this is 40k where taking an idea to the extreme is not absurd, but normal. The Krieg memes fit this attitude.

Hmm, given the helmets, the colours of their uniforms and the name of their planet, I would have thought they're more based on WWI Germans, who did, mind you, adopt the same mad trench warfare and meatgrinder tactics as we British did in that conflict.
 
Let's break this down:
  • You post a picture of a Krieger attacking the viewer (in jest) in response to me stating that the meme is as stupid as the Imperial Guard are
  • I then respond by posting that Kriegers are no match for the power of the Hive Mind (again in jest, because I was deliberately parodying Palpatine for comedy effect)
  • You post a Krieg meme (again, in jest)
  • I then reply that Bonesabres >>>>>>>>>>> shovels (again in jest, due to the unneccesarily large number of > symbols)
  • You then reply with a meme that idolises a digger as a bigger shovel
  • I then reply with a simply logical fact that a bonesabre could cut through a digger, then lighten the mood with a Mace Windu meme and a wink emoticon (to show I simply posted in jest once again)
  • You then make what appeared to me to be a more serious comment attempting to challenge the power of the bonesabres, in your usual fashion to try and sound cool, with a Conan the Barbarian clip for good measure
  • I simply made a logical statement about how powerful bonesabres are
  • You responded by stating how if a shovel can kill a Bloodthirster, my Tyranids would have no chance (I suppose this must have been made in jest in the spirit of the meme, but at the time it sounded as though it was another challenge to my logic)
  • I responded that that is only what the memes say, and that they have no bearing on what would actually happen in the 40K galaxy (which is true)
  • You then have a rant at me about how I've supposedly missed the point that the meme isn't meant to be accurate, when in my mind over the past couple of posts I was responding to a challenge to my innate logic, because I had felt it had gone beyond simple banter and into serious lore discussion.
The entire point of the meme is that a man with a shovel takes on foes that he stands no chance of beating (with said the shovel)... but wins anyways. My argument has nothing to do with your line of reasoning that a Tyranid (in lore) could beat a man with a shovel. The fact that the Tyranid would win in lore is obvious, but entirely misses the point of the meme.

We're just looking at the subject from different viewpoints. You're arguing from what I described as the "straight and narrow" in lore perspective, while I'm looking at it from the vantage point of the meme. Rather than continuing this little joust of ours, let me summarize the Tyranid vs. Shovel standoff:
  • in 40k lore: Tyranid wins easily
  • in the shovel meme "lore": the guy with the shovel wins (because that is the joke)
  • in real life: the guy with the shovel wins because there are no tyranids in real life


but you could also have kept things light-hearted rather than ranting at me as if I am a thick-skulled idiot.
And there's no need for attempts to attack my intelligence
There's no need to go that far.

I have made no claims against your intelligence. I believe that such a claim would be both unkind and unfounded. To set the record straight, I disagree with you on a lot of things, but I believe you to be an intelligent person. I've always felt that and continue to do so.

My criticism/response was not against you as a person, but instead, specifically against your statement:
"In your dreams, that's only what the memes say, memes aren't an accurate depiction of real 40K life or physics."

It isn't that I think the statement is wrong (it is factually true), but rather that it misses the point entirely. The meme is predicated on being an inaccurate depiction. That's the joke, regardless of your personal assessment of its comedic value. When I presented the meme of the excavator/digger, I was perpetuating that joke. I wasn't presenting it as an actual in-lore counter to the tyranid.


because I had felt it had gone beyond simple banter and into serious lore discussion.
My best guess is that this is where our divide originates. I was never engaging in a serious lore debate. I'm not even sure which of my statements could be taken as a serious attempt at an in-lore retort.

Funnily enough, we probably actually agree on most aspects of this topic but end up disagreeing anyways! :p


I never said Jar Jar was my gold standard. I simply have said in the past that he amused me.
:D

Let me give you a little peak behind the curtain...

  • I am aware you like Jar Jar
  • I am aware you never claimed him to be your gold standard
  • I purposefully misconstrued the two to get a (friendly) rise out of you!

In truth, Jar Jar is something of a trump card. Low hanging fruit perhaps, but something that can be continually counted upon to put the "opposition" on their back foot. A weakness to be exploited. Cheap but effective.

In regards to Jar Jar, I guess I'll summarize by quoting you " ...normally your standards of comedy are higher than that."

  • Blackadder
  • Monty Python (which you refuse to watch, I might add)
  • Johnny English
  • Dad's Army
  • One Foot in the Grave (which funnily enough includes some surrealism in it, but unlike the Krieg memes its absurdity is still within the possibilities of real life, which makes it a lot more relatable and thus more )
  • Only Fools and Horses
Those are my gold-standard. I'd be interested to know what your gold-standard in comedy is by comparison.
To be honest, I've never given it that much thought. I suppose if I had to name something, I'd say Seinfeld (specifically the show, not his comedy routine or him as an actor). It's simply so applicable to real life. Mr. Bean is another good one. I appreciate the universal appeal of that show.

Come on, pal, the war's over.
I didn't think there was a war. No intention on my part (and you know that I normally love a good forum war [within the confines of forum rules of course]).
 
The entire point of the meme is that a man with a shovel takes on foes that he stands no chance of beating (with said the shovel)... but wins anyways. My argument has nothing to do with your line of reasoning that a Tyranid (in lore) could beat a man with a shovel. The fact that the Tyranid would win in lore is obvious, but entirely misses the point of the meme.

We're just looking at the subject from different viewpoints. You're arguing from what I described as the "straight and narrow" in lore perspective, while I'm looking at it from the vantage point of the meme. Rather than continuing this little joust of ours, let me summarize the Tyranid vs. Shovel standoff:
  • in 40k lore: Tyranid wins easily
  • in the shovel meme "lore": the guy with the shovel wins (because that is the joke)
Well, it is true we like to see underdog stories and that is one of the underdog stories of the century, alongside a similar meme I found a while ago about a Necron Annihilation Barge, a dedicated missile vehicle, beating a Space Marine Dreadnought in melee, the Dreadnought's preferred field:

A Space Marine player attacked a Necron Player's Annihilation Barge with his Dreadnought. This is the record of events the Necron player inscribed after the battle:
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  • in real life: the guy with the shovel wins because there are no tyranids in real life
Hah, I didn't think of that one, I find that statement in itself quite funny :D


My best guess is that this is where our divide originates. I was never engaging in a serious lore debate. I'm not even sure which of my statements could be taken as a serious attempt at an in-lore retort.

Well at the time I thought this one to be more serious:

You really seem to like these bonesabres. You can put your trust in bone, I'll place my trust in steel.


But now that I look at it again, it was clearly just meant to be a bit of banter.

Funnily enough, we probably actually agree on most aspects of this topic but end up disagreeing anyways! :p

It would have to be us who somehow find something to disagree about even when we achieve a by-and-large census on the topic :p

:D

Let me give you a little peak behind the curtain...

  • I am aware you like Jar Jar
  • I am aware you never claimed him to be your gold standard
  • I purposefully misconstrued the two to get a (friendly) rise out of you!
I think I really need to learn to take things less seriously...

In truth, Jar Jar is something of a trump card. Low hanging fruit perhaps, but something that can be continually counted upon to put the "opposition" on their back foot. A weakness to be exploited. Cheap but effective.

Like a true Sith. Bane, Plagueis and Palpatine would be proud ;) (I'm reading the Plagueis novel at the moment and there is a lot of exploiting the weakness of inferiors in that, as one of the main rules of being a Sith).

In regards to Jar Jar, I guess I'll summarize by quoting you " ...normally your standards of comedy are higher than that."

Mr. Bean is another good one. I appreciate the universal appeal of that show.

The universal appeal of that one is so strong that even you and I can agree it's good ;)


I certainly recommend Johnny English to you as a fellow Bean fan, it's a hilarious parody of James Bond with Atkinson playing a secret agent who has a Bean-esque talent for mucking things up, along with some witty dialogue and classic Bond tropes.

I didn't think there was a war. No intention on my part (and you know that I normally love a good forum war [within the confines of forum rules of course]).

Well, in that case, I don't believe there ever was one either :D
 
Hmm, given the helmets, the colours of their uniforms and the name of their planet, I would have thought they're more based on WWI Germans, who did, mind you, adopt the same mad trench warfare and meatgrinder tactics as we British did in that conflict.
Ack. I was more focused on WW1 than the specific country. Mea culpa.
 
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