Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Lizards of Renown]

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Oh man, I WANT ONE!

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Oh man, I WANT ONE!

Agreed, it does look pretty awesome!

 

[Scalenex]

If you want to gain a true judgement as to how the ST will ultimately be judged and perceived, it may well be that you are better off asking the children who have been brought up with the ST what their reactions to it are rather than simply assuming that beliefs and opinions now will hold forever.

I've heard from parents with children that their children are not particularly interested in Star Wars. It's not that they don't like it. They will patiently and quietly watch the new Star Wars movies, but afterwards it doesn't leave much impression on them. Boys like the Avengers or Batman. Girls like Frozen or whatever show is on Disney Channel. When kids play make believe, they don't pretend to be Star Wars characters any more. They want to be super heroes or Disney princesses.

When kids ask for toys, they don't want Star Wars.

I only have anecdotal evidence for this one though.

The legacy of the Disney Star Wars is not likely to be "Oh, what a dumpster fire!" it's going to be "I remember Star Wars, I think..."

 

[Lizerd]

Pretending to be dinosaurs and getting dinosaur toys is really where its at

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

When kids ask for toys, they don't want Star Wars.

I only have anecdotal evidence for this one though.

Star Wars toy sales are massively down, there are reports of it all over the place (from various sources). Also, Galaxy's Edge at the Disney parks has massively under performed.

 

[Tk'ya'pyk]

I've heard from parents with children that their children are not particularly interested in Star Wars. It's not that they don't like it. They will patiently and quietly watch the new Star Wars movies, but afterwards it doesn't leave much impression on them. Boys like the Avengers or Batman. Girls like Frozen or whatever show is on Disney Channel. When kids play make believe, they don't pretend to be Star Wars characters any more. They want to be super heroes or Disney princesses.

When kids ask for toys, they don't want Star Wars.

I only have anecdotal evidence for this one though.

The legacy of the Disney Star Wars is not likely to be "Oh, what a dumpster fire!" it's going to be "I remember Star Wars, I think..."

Unless they like Lego, then they just want the Star Wars sets for the blaster guns.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

I've heard from parents with children that their children are not particularly interested in Star Wars. It's not that they don't like it. They will patiently and quietly watch the new Star Wars movies, but afterwards it doesn't leave much impression on them. Boys like the Avengers or Batman. Girls like Frozen or whatever show is on Disney Channel. When kids play make believe, they don't pretend to be Star Wars characters any more. They want to be super heroes or Disney princesses.

When kids ask for toys, they don't want Star Wars.

It’s saddening isn’t it that children are so much less discerning these days? Personally I’ve never seen the appeal of the Avengers as a whole (as you know the only Marvel hero I actually like is Thor and only because of the Norse mythology connotations). The others I really couldn’t care at all about

Pretending to be dinosaurs and getting dinosaur toys is really where its at

Oh yes, that was me all over when I was little. That and then later Lord of the Rings were the reasons why I didn’t get into Star Wars until I was 12

 

[Scalenex]

I've listened to watched a lot of videos making commentary on how big corporations, especially Disney, are squeezing the life out of beloved franchises, especially Star Wars.

This is the greatest such video I've ever seen. Yes, it's long, but it covers every detail of every problem.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Just A Skink]

@Scalenex, that's a very interesting video. I confess that, to me, some of the statements feel a bit hyperbolic and some of the anecdotes seem almost "made up" (I can believe that someone wouldn't know about a specific actor, but a person who had never watched a movie or did anything fun is a little hard to swallow), but I still hear some truth in it. Thanks!

@ravagekitteh and @Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl, I agree that the experiences we have as kids do tend to stick with us. This is true whether it's fun pop culture like movies, music and TV shows, or more traumatic events like divorce, war and pandemics. As we age, I think those experiences become strong emotional connections to the memories of our childhood, or the experiences themselves become part of how we develop. Either way, I think it's an aspect of how we identify ourselves, and we become attached and protective of those times. I'm sure the loudest protestors of the new SW movies are the original OT fans that were kids back then. It's no different than people saying "I've watched this show from the beginning" or "I was a fan of this band before it was cool."

I am an OT kid, so take this with an ounce of blue milk, but I think the OT is unique (out of the OT, PT & ST). Star Wars wasn't supposed to be a big hit, but it became one. Empire arguably elevated the story, characters and cinematography, and don't forget that sequels with continuing stories were rare at that time. Return really does show a "manufactured blockbuster" model b/c there was a lot more on the line. Despite that, I think it has enough high points to help the OT coast in for a solid finale.

The feelings for the Prequels & Sequels aren't as positive in part because I think they're all "manufactured blockbusters," so I question their legacy as individual trilogies. I know that doesn't automatically mean a bad movie, but, to me, it doesn't feel like the best starting place. Specifically, the Sequels story tends to cannibalize the OT (and the PT by extension). But that's probably something no successful, long-running franchise can escape (Star Trek, SW or Dr. Who). That said, the beginning and end of Phantom Menace and parts of Force Awakens I rather enjoyed.

To me, the most "Star Wars-like" movie of the 2000's was probably The Matrix (despite its sequels). A movie that wasn't supposed to be a hit, but became one. It had a deep-rooted hero story with similar themes (personal/mental/spiritual achievement over machines/autocratic authority) and inventive special effects. It captured people's inspiration for a while.

 

[Scalenex]

(I can believe that someone wouldn't know about a specific actor, but a person who had never watched a movie or did anything fun is a little hard to swallow), but I still hear some truth in it. Thanks!

Given that Marvel's unspeakably awful New Warriors were created by someone who actively disliked classic comic books (but happened to be rich and connected), this doesn't seem implausible to me that executives could become in charge of movies they haven't seen and don't understand. But yeah, a little hyperbolic.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Marvel's unspeakably awful New Warriors

That's the gift that keeps on giving. I find it hilarious; the jokes/comments that have arisen from it are simply golden. How can you not like the idea of Trailblazer trailblazing her way to the nearest McDonald's? That isn't even mentioning the goldmine that is Safe Space and Snowflake. A normal person couldn't have written a better parody of the industry if he/she had tried!

 

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[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Scalenex]

A normal person couldn't have written a better parody of the industry if he/she had tried!

That's the problem. SJWs are becoming parodies of themselves so fast that satire cannot keep up. I keep thinking, at some point they have to reach a tipping point "This is crazy, we need to dial this back" but the crazy train has no brakes. I fully expect to see something within a year that is more ridiculous than the new warriors.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

I keep thinking, at some point they have to reach a tipping point "This is crazy, we need to dial this back" but the crazy train has no brakes.

I don't think that is the way it will happen. Their rabbit hole is infinite. It is with the rest society, normal people, that I place my faith. Eventually, they'll come to a realization that this stuff is completely insane and say that enough is enough. The strength lies with the majority. Once that happens, the SJWs will become powerless. I'm sure that some will desperately cling to their delusions, but it won't matter as they'll become social/political version of flat earthers.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Killer Angel]

Ok, today's the day.

edit: the link is now broken… let's fix it!