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AoS Basti might be MUCH better than we thought

Blitzkriyg said:
It is about the mechanics though. Fits a warscroll over rule a core role? Yes. Ok, but a roll of 1 always fails because a characteristic of 1+ has literally 0 interaction with a save roll
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that... literally is saying the FAQ applies and then saying it doesn't because something has a different name... but both "names" are on the warscroll, and the FAQ says "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" lol your arguing against yourself at this point my friend.
 
ILKAIN said:
yall are crazy, and i sincerely wish you practiced law in my state... id be banking on my cases lol

good night, and no grudges! ill prolly get smacked upside the head by a Seraphon specific FAQ lol
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If you are any further than a first year, you should drop out and save your money. The faq won't clear up anything as there is nothing to clear up
 
ILKAIN said:
that... literally is saying the FAQ applies and then saying it doesn't because something has a different name... but both "names" are on the warscroll, and the FAQ says "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" lol your arguing against yourself at this point my friend.
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No, you're either trolling at this point or can't wrap your head around basic mechanics
 
not trolling and i assure you im incredibly intelligent. the mechanics being different doesn't matter because they are encompassed under the umbrella that is a warscroll and the FAQ specifically states "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" not "warscroll and allegiance abilities". that one letter difference makes a HUGE difference in the meaning of the phrase.

tbh its kinda crappy that you are calling me a troll just because you cant provide any empirical evidence to counter my evidence supported opinon.
 
ILKAIN said:
not trolling and i assure you im incredibly intelligent. the mechanics being different doesn't matter because they are encompassed under the umbrella that is a warscroll and the FAQ specifically states "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" not "warscroll and allegiance abilities". that one letter difference makes a HUGE difference in the meaning of the phrase.

tbh its kinda crappy that you are calling me a troll just because you cant provide any empirical evidence to counter my evidence supported opinon.
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I've explained to you multiple times how the mechanics work and why the warscroll doesn't overwrite anything. Do you have any empirical evidence of you being incredibly intelligent, because I don't know how to dumb it down any further, I've literally explained it using actual numbers and the save process.
 
We won’t have an answer. Same as other previous war scrolls with a characteristic of 1+ never received one. It’s an interesting angle but wouldn’t be allowed in any tournament and why power game like this in casual play? We had an English major in our area telling everyone rotigus spell if he only picked one unit each deluge could be allocated to that single unit. Use your brain and logic and eventually you’ll come to the correct conclusion. Until then good luck.
 

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Baby Seal said:
If you aren't right then that is horrible rules writing. Nothing should be stated to have a 1+ save if it doesn't actually save on 1s.
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imho, this is the best and only reason. Why bother with a 1+ if an unmodified 1+ flat out can't work. If you want to ignore rend 1 just put on a special rule saying "reduce all rend by 1" and give it a 2+ save.

DaBush said:
We won’t have an answer. Same as other previous war scrolls with a characteristic of 1+ never received one. It’s an interesting angle but wouldn’t be allowed in any tournament and why power game like this in casual play? We had an English major in our area telling everyone rotigus spell if he only picked one unit each deluge could be allocated to that single unit. Use your brain and logic and eventually you’ll come to the correct conclusion. Until then good luck.
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what other scrolls have a base save of 1+?

Also, rotigus's spell is terribly phrased, and I can see where the english major is coming from. Even if it's very clearly not the intend of the writers.​
 
My TO's said that warscroll override applies to abilities, CA and etc. But it appears, that bastiladon ignores rend unless it suffers 2 wounds. Since reroll 1's is easily applied, it is virtually invincible, if your opponent don't have enough mortal wounds. And you can field 4 of them.

I expect GW to nerf it anyway. But for two weeks basti is a good choice. Enjoy, while you can. I still think, that spamming skinks, saurus, terradons and salamanders would be superior.
 
Nart said:
I expect GW to nerf it anyway. But for two weeks basti is a good choice. Enjoy, while you can. I still think, that spamming skinks, saurus, terradons and salamanders would be superior.
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I think bastiladon are fine tbh, I had a hard time doing any real damage in the 2 games I played. The 3 shots from the steg consistently did more damage
 
Blitzkriyg said:
I had a hard time doing any real damage in the 2 games I played
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View them as tanks/distraction. The enemy cannot ignore them, because they can tie anything, which doesn't deal MW. And with Trove of the Ancient Technology, Hand of Glory and Herald of the old ones their output should be equal to the old bastiladon with rerolls to-hit. They are good for their points. But, I think, there are better competitive choices.
 
Nart said:
View them as tanks/distraction. The enemy cannot ignore them, because they can tie anything, which doesn't deal MW. And with Trove of the Ancient Technology, Hand of Glory and Herald of the old ones their output should be equal to the old bastiladon with rerolls to-hit. They are good for their points. But, I think, there are better competitive choices.
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That's actually the issue I had, they absolutely can ignore them. They are super slow and while it monsters only count as 1 model on objectives, they aren't going in and holding anything any time soon. It's pretty deceiving, seeing that 1+ save and 9 attacks from the laser looked like a huge buff, but I feel they can absolutely be ignored. I was looking at running 2-3, but after this post weekend, they'll be in the box
 
Just found this that kinda helps point everything out in the rules. (Not sure if everyone has already seen it or not but thought it would be a good idea for it to be posted.)

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TheGreyScaledLizard said:
Just found this that kinda helps point everything out in the rules. (Not sure if everyone has already seen it or not but thought it would be a good idea for it to be posted.)

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yeah its been resolved I was wrong. but its still good. the only way to hurt the basti at top tier is mortals or unmodified ones on the save roll. put mystic barrier on it and ram it into combat lol
 
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