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AoS Basti might be MUCH better than we thought

I mean you can agree, but you are wrong. You are saying a roll and a characteristic is the same thing, that wouldn't hold up in court lol you roll your dice, apply modifiers and compare the result to your save. If your result is equal or higher to your save characteristic you pass. Do in this case a 1 after modifiers passes, so the roll of a 1 currently passes. Then you check if any of those rolls were a natural 1 before modifiers, those fail regardless of modifiers. It's the save of you had a+3 to your save and a 2+ save, a roll of a 1 before modifiers airways fails. There is nothing the warscroll is overwriting
 
but now you have to prove that its warscroll abilities and allegiance abilities, not "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" GW loves their ambiguity.

i read that as anything on the warscroll, and anything in the allegiance abilities section of a book overrule the core rules.
 
Blitzkriyg said:
I mean you can agree, but you are wrong. You are saying a roll and a characteristic is the same thing, that wouldn't hold up in court lol you roll your dice, apply modifiers and compare the result to your save. If your result is equal or higher to your save characteristic you pass. Do in this case a 1 after modifiers passes, so the roll of a 1 currently passes. Then you check if any of those rolls were a natural 1 before modifiers, those fail regardless of modifiers. It's the save of you had a+3 to your save and a 2+ save, a roll of a 1 before modifiers airways fails. There is nothing the warscroll is overwriting
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I am not saying they are the same, im saying the FAQ, as written, allows the entire warscroll, and anything in the allegiance abilities section of a BT to override any rule that occurs in the core rules prior to the section about battleplans
 
ILKAIN said:
but now you have to prove that its warscroll abilities and allegiance abilities, not "warscrolls and allegiance abilities" GW loves their ambiguity.

i read that as anything on the warscroll, and anything in the allegiance abilities section of a book overrule the core rules.
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They do, I don't get your argument, the characteristic doesn't over rule the save tool, they are two different mechanics
 
ILKAIN said:
I am not saying they are the same, im saying the FAQ, as written, allows the entire warscroll, and anything in the allegiance abilities section of a BT to override any rule that occurs in the core rules prior to the section about battleplans
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Correct, but nothing is being overwritten, what is your argument?
 
Blitzkriyg said:
I literally said the same thing and you said you disagreed lol...
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no he is attacking the interpretation of the FAQ by addressing its specific wording, you are saying it doesn't apply because of a roll... which is a poor stance to take when you said a roll cant go above a 7 which is blatantly disproven in the core rules
 
literally the save of 1 is overwriting the rule that says a 1 always fails
 
ok look ill take it step by step.

warscroll says save 1+ saves
rules says saves of 1 before mod always fail
FAQ says warscrolls and allegiance abilities supersede the core rules if the rule comes before the section about battleplans.
the rules governing saves of 1 failing are on page 7 the battle plan rules are on page 11

ergo the save of one on the warscroll supersedes the core rule of ones failing
 
ILKAIN said:
literally the save of 1 is overwriting the rule that says a 1 always fails
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No it doesn't, you still pass on a 1 after modifications, which is when you compare your result to save characteristic. A roll of 1 fails before modification. Two different mechanics that don't have anything to do with each other. A natural one fails before you compare it to your save.
 
everyone ignored Jack Ryan in season one when he was the only one that knew who the terrorist really was. just saying lol :P
 
ILKAIN said:
ok look ill take it step by step.

warscroll says save 1+ saves
rules says saves of 1 before mod always fail
FAQ says warscrolls and allegiance abilities supersede the core rules if the rule comes before the section about battleplans.
the rules governing saves of 1 failing are on page 7 the battle plan rules are on page 11

ergo the save of one on the warscroll supersedes the core rule of ones failing
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Those are two different game mechanics that interact, but otherwise unrelated
 
Blitzkriyg said:
No it doesn't, you still pass on a 1 after modifications, which is when you compare your result to save characteristic. A roll of 1 fails before modification. Two different mechanics that don't have anything to do with each other. A natural one fails before you compare it to your save.
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you are still ignoring the FAQ
 
its not about the mechanics my friend. you need to get off that idea... that is not what is being discussed. its about whether or not a warscroll can override the rules. and the simple fact is they do.
 
alright. i am conceding... to my bed lol. got to crash out or ill be a grumpy jerk at work tomorrow. enjoy your 1+ save basti's (until GW ruins another good thing for us lol)
 
Blitzkriyg said:
Im not, the faq didn't matter because it doesn't apply in this situation, you may as well be quoting the faq that says the balewind travels with skitterleap
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HOW DOES IT NOT APPLY! IT LITERALLY SAYS "WARSCROLLS AND ALLEGIANCE ABILITIES" OVERRIDE THE CORE RULES
 
ILKAIN said:
its not about the mechanics my friend. you need to get off that idea... that is not what is being discussed. its about whether or not a warscroll can override the rules. and the simple fact is they do.
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It is about the mechanics though. Fits a warscroll over rule a core role? Yes. Ok, but a roll of 1 always fails because a characteristic of 1+ has literally 0 interaction with a save roll
 
yall are crazy, and i sincerely wish you practiced law in my state... id be banking on my cases lol

good night, and no grudges! ill prolly get smacked upside the head by a Seraphon specific FAQ lol
 
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