AoS SCE's Scions of the Storm and Seraphon units

[Dreamkeeper]

So, I was playing as Stormcasts and used their ability SCIONS OF THE STORM (basically deepstrike). For every unit on board I can set up one in Celestial Realm. But my opponent had started complaining that I have Seraphon units as Allies on the battlefield (3 SCE and 1 Seraphon and 4 SCE units in Azyr). He stated that it's an allegiance ability for SCE and that only SCE units are counts as to be on the battlefield, but in the rules (see the pic.) it's said - for each unit have set up on the battlefield. Not specified - SCE or Order units it could be. Just units.
So what do you think guys?

 

[Erta Wanderer]

So, I was playing as Stormcasts and used their ability SCIONS OF THE STORM (basically deepstrike). For every unit on board I can set up one in Celestial Relam. But my opponent had started complaining that I have Seraphon units as Allies on the battlefield (3 SCE and 1 Seraphon and 4 SCE units in Azyr). He stated that it's an allegiance ability for SCE and that only SCE units are counts as to be on the battlefield, but in the rules (see the pic.) it's said - for each unit have set up on the battlefield. Not specified - SCE or Order units it could be. Just units.
So what do you think guys?
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1-1 alies count

 

[Dreamkeeper]

1-1 alies count

Is there any FAQ or Erarta on this? I can't seems to find any.

 

[Erta Wanderer]

Is there any FAQ or Erarta on this? I can't seems to find any.

no but it's general practice SCE used to take a bunch of skink alies so they could put most of the army in the sky and modern cities armies can do a 1-1-2 split with alies SCE and cities units

 

[Dreamkeeper]

modern cities armies can do a 1-1-2 split with alies SCE and cities units

Can you tell a little bit more about this? 1-1-2 split?

 

[Erta Wanderer]

Can you tell a little bit more about this? 1-1-2 split?

ok cities armies can take 1 unit in 4 as a SCE and 1 unit in 4 as alies some can even take 1-in-4 of a 3rd faction. a few people on line have made lists that try to have as few cities units as they can in a cities army so 1 SCE unit 1 alliey 1 sylvaneth and 1 cities. if it worked like your friend thinks it does then you would need 3 cities units for every other unit you took

 

[Dreamkeeper]

ok cities armies can take 1 unit in 4 as a SCE and 1 unit in 4 as alies some can even take 1-in-4 of a 3rd faction. a few people on line have made lists that try to have as few cities units as they can in a cities army so 1 SCE unit 1 alliey 1 sylvaneth and 1 cities. if it worked like your friend thinks it does then you would need 3 cities units for every other unit you took

Oh, I see. Thanks!

 

[Shocksem]

Have your opponent point out where it says they have to be SCE units setup. If it doesn't specify they there is no place to argue. Mine that salt.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

Have your opponent point out where it says they have to be SCE units setup. If it doesn't specify they there is no place to argue. Mine that salt.

Nope, he just says that if that is SCE's Allegiance Ability so it's only applies to SCE units. But usually GW states which ability can be used by whom - order, SCE , chaos, seraphon etc. Here, it's just units on the table. Not specified.

 

[Carnikang]

You're in the right. The wording of the ability checks out.
It just says that SCE units may do this.

 

[Killer Angel]

Nope, he just says that if that is SCE's Allegiance Ability so it's only applies to SCE units.

...except it's not what the ability says.
It seems a case of " i didn't think of it. Crap. no, i don't want you to use the ability as written because I'm feeling cheated because vague reasons".

 

[Dreamkeeper]

...except it's not what the ability says.
It seems a case of " i didn't think of it. Crap. no, i don't want you to use the ability as written because I'm feeling cheated because vague reasons".

Any advice on how to deal with such behavior? Because I really don't know. We're here to play and having fun, but sometimes I think some people are taking this game too seriously. Win or die type of seriously.

 

[Carnikang]

Any advice on how to deal with such behavior? Because I really don't know. We're here to play and having fun, but sometimes I think some people are taking this game too seriously. Win or die type of seriously.

Sit down with this person outside of the game and talk to them about some of the rules. There are times when the person doesn't want to be told they're wrong, because they're in the middle of something and their perception of what is correct won't change with new information. If afterwards, they still don't understand and are adamant about you not playing it, just don't use that against them unless in a tournament setting where you can have an actual to confirm or overrule what the actual rule says.
Good luck.

 

[Dreamkeeper]

Sit down with this person outside of the game and talk to them about some of the rules. There are times when the person doesn't want to be told they're wrong, because they're in the middle of something and their perception of what is correct won't change with new information. If afterwards, they still don't understand and are adamant about you not playing it, just don't use that against them unless in a tournament setting where you can have an actual to confirm or overrule what the actual rule says.
Good luck.

Thanks!

 

[Shocksem]

Nope, he just says that if that is SCE's Allegiance Ability so it's only applies to SCE units. But usually GW states which ability can be used by whom - order, SCE , chaos, seraphon etc. Here, it's just units on the table. Not specified.

The only part of the rule that mentions restrictions is where it specifies the only SCE units can be set in reserve. Unless he wants to argue that an allied unit is not a unit then I think you need to have a discussion about how Rules as Written work.